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Old October 31st, 2006, 10:16 AM   #11
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who needs a gun in church? The people at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Ft. Worth (or maybe Dallas...) back in '99 or 2000 might have found one usefull. IIRC, one or two people were killed when a gunman walked in and opened fire.

Thanks, I'll second this one... It was actually September 15, 1999 and you are correct, it is in Ft. Worth. Seven people were killed and seven injured not including the shooter (Larry Ashbrook).


Ill third that. I lost a childhood friend that day in that church.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 10:59 AM   #12
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I know that the title question is rhetorical, but the very question is part of the problem. Who needs the right of Free Assembly? Who needs the right of no unlawful search and seizure? Or the right of refusal of self-incrimination?

We don't NEED to carry in most of the places (overwhelmingly) that any of us carry. But that's not the point.

Preaching to the choir is my favorite.

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Old October 31st, 2006, 11:05 AM   #13
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Not only is a gun needed in the church but you have to make the trip to and from the church with often some other in route travel and/or stops. If you need a gun at other times, this is an 'Other Time." If you are uncomfortable about carrying in church, you could leave your gun in your car while you are in church but church parking lots are prime targets for car burglars.
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And the church shooting in Milwaukee, WI not too long ago.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 12:48 PM   #15
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Hey, Peter packed and was with Jesus Himself. He pulled the sword and wacked the guard's ear off when they came for Jesus.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 12:52 PM   #16
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Name some places where it would be impossible for an idiot to walk in and start killing people at random.
Gun shop full of customers.
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Gun shop full of customers.
Some of my local gunshops have a sign on the door - No Loaded Weapons allowed!
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The two gunshops I usually frequent have "All weapons must be unloaded, Concealed Firearms License holders exempt." :)
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The fact is many states make churches off limits in their base legislation. All this does is create "massacre safe" zones. There was a rash (3-4) incidences where some guy goes to his ex wife/girl friends church to "take care of business". Why. Well state law assured him there would be no one there to interfere; I do not believe it was mere coincidence they all just decided to do it in a church.
I think that a large part of the problem is that many many people actually believe that for some reason, God won't let anything bad happen in a church. The very idea is preposterous; they have to close their awareness to the fact that violence already has happened in churches. So it's doublethink, and doublethink alone, that leads anyone to feel "safe" in a church just because it's a church.

Look at the middle east! If anyone does something to a muslim's mosque, it's war. He won't let it rest. But we also notice that muslims are burning and destroying other muslims' mosques. It's just proof that religious sites are NOT sacred to EVILDOERS.
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I regularly carry in church as I hope all of you do since as other pointed here a church is not "violence exempt."
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