New Sigma 9ve

bugs100 · March 30th, 2005, 08:13 AM

Last week I picked up a new Sigma 9ve for $279.00. The reason I got it was 9's are cheap to shoot and every post that I read said the same thing, great buy for the money except it takes about 500 rounds for the trigger to lighten up. Also I thought the wife would finally give up her old M66 and would like the Sigma. .

The trigger is so hard at this point, it's real hard to keep a good sight picture. I ran 50 rounds of 115 FMJ through it with very poor results. So I gave it to the wife to shoot the next 50 to see if she would like to try some thing new. She can really shoot and usally shoots her 357 M66 2 1/2 happily ignoring my pistols.

She picked it up, sighted and nothing happened. She put it down turned and said I can't pull the trigger. I said give it another try. Well she gave it her best and only hit the target 1 time out of ten and said "real nice buy you can keep this" Then she picked up my new S&W 1911 and put 8 in the black.

Now she says, I really like this gun it's as accurate and as easy to shoot as your Sig 220. I got a shiver up my back as I realized that the Sigma might cost me a lot more than $279. If that trigger on the Sigma stays the same after 500 rounds I'm going to trade it in for another .45.

My 25 year old M59 shoots rings around this pistol, if this is progress were in trouble.

Bumper · March 30th, 2005, 03:03 PM

Bugs, do yourself a favor and go ahead and trade it in. I would much rather my wife carried a 1911....

Euclidean · March 30th, 2005, 04:00 PM

S&W Sigma series = Bad Karma

Smith and Wesson had a board of directors meeting and someone said "You know what our product line is too good. Our revolvers are top notch, we're building a pretty good 1911, our automatics are doing fine... we need to build a real piece of sh#t just to even things out. We need to pick a design someone else does much much better and just really screw it up. I mean it just needs to be awful. It needs to fall apart after a few hundred rounds, it needs to take three hands to field strip... People I'm having a vision here and that vision is of a gun that completely and tottally sucks. Smith and Wesson is in serious danger of becoming a more powerful player in the handgun market. We need to take ourselves down a peg."

I'd take almost anything over a Sigma series pistol. They're awful.

bugs100 · March 30th, 2005, 05:01 PM

I had read in a few different places that it had a heavy trigger pull and that it would lighten up after 500 rounds. When I first pulled the trigger I said whoa that's bad. This was after I cleaned it new out of the box and oiled the trigger. I'm guessing the trigger to be at least ten pounds. Next week I'm going to run 400 rounds through it and if it won't come down alot it's gone.

Bud White · March 30th, 2005, 06:30 PM

Ditch the wanna be glock my uncle bought him self and daughter one his in 40 hers in 9mm both are hunks of crap both suck trigger on both are a nightmare and the 9 is a jam o matic i know they copied the desgin from glock but they still aint figured it out ....

Now im not a big glock fan either but the 17 or 19 is hard to beat

Euclidean · March 30th, 2005, 10:13 PM

The thing I've figured out about why the Sigma series is popular is its price tag.

I propose a Taurus PT-111 may be had for a comparable price and is a much better pistol.

APachon · March 31st, 2005, 10:25 AM

Ditch the Sigma. Unless you are willing to drop some serious discretionary funds into fixing the hefty pull of the trigger, you will be hard pressed to enjoy it. Friend bought one with the decocker function and it is still a bear to fire. (Against my recommendations mind you) This kinda goes back to that addage, you get what you pay for. I would put this just a hair above a hi-point or other like pistols...

~A

hawkeye680 · March 31st, 2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euclidean

S&W Sigma series = Bad Karma

Smith and Wesson had a board of directors meeting and someone said "You know what our product line is too good. Our revolvers are top notch, we're building a pretty good 1911, our automatics are doing fine... we need to build a real piece of sh#t just to even things out. We need to pick a design someone else does much much better and just really screw it up. I mean it just needs to be awful. It needs to fall apart after a few hundred rounds, it needs to take three hands to field strip... People I'm having a vision here and that vision is of a gun that completely and tottally sucks. Smith and Wesson is in serious danger of becoming a more powerful player in the handgun market. We need to take ourselves down a peg."

I'd take almost anything over a Sigma series pistol. They're awful.

Everything I read from you talks about your dislike (or whatever) about semi autos. So what qualifies that rant?

I had a Sigma- I sold it to get my Kimber. But the Sigma shot (and still shoots, I sold it to my father in law) very well. It feels good in the hand and is very accurate. This thread will quickly turn into a flame war/******* match but I think they got a bad rap. I think the "VE" signifies a second wave of production (I may be wrong) after the initial screwups. There is another poster here, rfurtkamp (I think that is what it is) whose posts are always very informative and I believe he knows that he is talking about. His wife carries one and loves it.

bugs100 · March 31st, 2005, 05:29 PM

Right now I'm waiting for a Fed Ex tag from S&W to send it back to the factory. That's the reason I only buy S&W great service.

Euclidean · March 31st, 2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkeye680

Everything I read from you talks about your dislike (or whatever) about semi autos. So what qualifies that rant?

Okay fair question.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=sigma

Summary: a few people like them but the consensus is there are better pistols to be had.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=sigma

Summary: Worst .380 ever made.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=sigma

Summary: Most votes for the worst gun from a real gun company.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=sigma

Summary: The CZ-40P is apparently available at a comparable price and is a much better gun, and even the Sigma supporters seem to acknowledge it.

I could dig up some more stuff but I think that proves my point sufficiently. If you don't think I'm qualified to give an opinion then you don't have to take it from me.

To be perfectly fair, I did learn the new Sigmas are apparently much much better. That's a good thing and it has given me a little more confidence in the series, but not much.

March 30th, 2005, 08:13 AM	#1
bugs100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 45	New Sigma 9ve Last week I picked up a new Sigma 9ve for $279.00. The reason I got it was 9's are cheap to shoot and every post that I read said the same thing, great buy for the money except it takes about 500 rounds for the trigger to lighten up. Also I thought the wife would finally give up her old M66 and would like the Sigma. . The trigger is so hard at this point, it's real hard to keep a good sight picture. I ran 50 rounds of 115 FMJ through it with very poor results. So I gave it to the wife to shoot the next 50 to see if she would like to try some thing new. She can really shoot and usally shoots her 357 M66 2 1/2 happily ignoring my pistols. She picked it up, sighted and nothing happened. She put it down turned and said I can't pull the trigger. I said give it another try. Well she gave it her best and only hit the target 1 time out of ten and said "real nice buy you can keep this" Then she picked up my new S&W 1911 and put 8 in the black. Now she says, I really like this gun it's as accurate and as easy to shoot as your Sig 220. I got a shiver up my back as I realized that the Sigma might cost me a lot more than $279. If that trigger on the Sigma stays the same after 500 rounds I'm going to trade it in for another .45. My 25 year old M59 shoots rings around this pistol, if this is progress were in trouble. Last edited by bugs100; March 30th, 2005 at 09:09 AM..

March 30th, 2005, 03:03 PM	#2
Bumper Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 14,706	Bugs, do yourself a favor and go ahead and trade it in. I would much rather my wife carried a 1911.... __________________ Bumper Administrator DefensiveCarry.com Forum Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde; Beware the anger of a patient man.

March 30th, 2005, 04:00 PM	#3
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	S&W Sigma series = Bad Karma Smith and Wesson had a board of directors meeting and someone said "You know what our product line is too good. Our revolvers are top notch, we're building a pretty good 1911, our automatics are doing fine... we need to build a real piece of sh#t just to even things out. We need to pick a design someone else does much much better and just really screw it up. I mean it just needs to be awful. It needs to fall apart after a few hundred rounds, it needs to take three hands to field strip... People I'm having a vision here and that vision is of a gun that completely and tottally sucks. Smith and Wesson is in serious danger of becoming a more powerful player in the handgun market. We need to take ourselves down a peg." I'd take almost anything over a Sigma series pistol. They're awful. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

March 30th, 2005, 10:13 PM	#6
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	The thing I've figured out about why the Sigma series is popular is its price tag. I propose a Taurus PT-111 may be had for a comparable price and is a much better pistol. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

March 31st, 2005, 10:25 AM	#7
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	Ditch the Sigma. Unless you are willing to drop some serious discretionary funds into fixing the hefty pull of the trigger, you will be hard pressed to enjoy it. Friend bought one with the decocker function and it is still a bear to fire. (Against my recommendations mind you) This kinda goes back to that addage, you get what you pay for. I would put this just a hair above a hi-point or other like pistols... ~A __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher

March 30th, 2005, 05:01 PM	#4
bugs100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 45	I had read in a few different places that it had a heavy trigger pull and that it would lighten up after 500 rounds. When I first pulled the trigger I said whoa that's bad. This was after I cleaned it new out of the box and oiled the trigger. I'm guessing the trigger to be at least ten pounds. Next week I'm going to run 400 rounds through it and if it won't come down alot it's gone.

March 30th, 2005, 06:30 PM	#5
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Ditch the wanna be glock my uncle bought him self and daughter one his in 40 hers in 9mm both are hunks of crap both suck trigger on both are a nightmare and the 9 is a jam o matic i know they copied the desgin from glock but they still aint figured it out .... Now im not a big glock fan either but the 17 or 19 is hard to beat

March 31st, 2005, 05:29 PM	#9
bugs100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 45	Right now I'm waiting for a Fed Ex tag from S&W to send it back to the factory. That's the reason I only buy S&W great service.

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