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Old May 16th, 2007, 05:19 PM   #21
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Some questions I have with this entire thing.

Is he legally blind, or blind? Meaning does he see blackness, or does he see very blurry colors and such. That little bit of blurry color can make a huge difference.


Shooting a paper target is indeed a very different matter than the one at hand. So I would like to see how he handles himself on a force on force senario. (with people who are not told he is blind before the senario)

There is another major thing however, and that is that giving him a permit would set up a precedent that could end up really hurting the CC movement. I can just see some anti-gun person giving somebody a permit and then waiting for the injury to come in so that the entire CC comunity can be denounced. Not trying to knock what skill this person has (or has not). Now is it fair, no, but life is often not as such.

Either way if this man can manage to pull off a legit, Force on Force then perhaps he should be allowed to carry, but done so very quietly without any press or statements from both parties.
What kind of ammo is he using, because it sounds interesting at the very least?
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Old May 16th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #22
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Standing in front of a paper target that is a set distance away and discerning between a threat and an innocent in a slow motion, adrenaline pumping moment with no eyesight are two different things.
NEWSFLASH!!!! Even with sight, they are two VERY different things! (Speaking from experience!)
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Old May 16th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #23
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What if he was getting it to collect or just to hold it unloaded.?
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Old May 16th, 2007, 08:06 PM   #24
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I think he has the right to carry a gun. In theory there may be a rare self-defense situation which would not require the use of the sight sense.

If someone attacks him, maybe choking or pummeling him, he should be able to grab his attacker with one hand and use his other hand to stick a gun in the scumbag's gut and inject him with hot lead.

In other situations he may have to defend himself with other means. It is his right to act on his own judgement and be alive to face the liability afterwards if he accidentally injures someone who is innocent.
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I'm sorry...I don't think he should have a CHP/CCW/LTC (pick your poison). I agree with other posters--shoot/don't shoot decision, target acquisition, seeing beyond your target, etc.

It is stressful enough with all senses to sight, acquire, fire when SHTF--but take away the primary sense to see the sight and the target? No way. I understand how other senses are heightened--but that doesn't mean he'll be on target.

As far as the range is concerned--doesn't matter how he did--it's a controlled environment where he is not risking other people's lives (no more than anyone else on the range).

I do believe that he should have the right to defend his home--that's his castle...and everything that goes with it.
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Old May 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #26
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"McWilliams said he uses special low-range, hollow-point bullets that are effective only in tight quarters."

Who's to say an innocesnt isn't right by the attacker. Breaks the rule KNOW YOUR TARGET AND BEYOND. Even if your bullets only go 20' (I'm sure they go further if they are leathal at all)

"McWilliams believes Minnesota officials have violated his constitutional right to keep and bear arms."

A blind person can have a car if they want but they still can't drive it.

I think he should carry a knife on the street and his gun when he's home where he's not likely to hit someone he doesn't want to.

I think as a free man he has the right to carry a gun on the street. But if he makes it known that he will use it in public then that would be a danger to others and cannot be allowed so I don't see why he'd want to carry.

Personally if I couldn't shoot with reasonable confidince that I would not endanger others then I would not shoot. Just becasue I am in danger does not give me the right to do that.
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Tough call. I know a guy in MI who is partially blind and has his CCW permit. He can see some stuff, but target ID is difficult for him. He does have decent situational awareness, but I am not sure how he would perform in a life threatening situation.
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Old May 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #28
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I gotta say... some people seem to think that they have a right to live in a danger free world.

Baloney. He has the right to carry a gun just the same as I do. You have the right to protect yourself from a blind man's bullet -- if you think it's that big of a risk, buy a vest. And a helmet. And maybe some elbow pads.

Be responsible for your own safety instead of trying to weasel away his rights. Strictly speaking, eyesight is not required to use a gun.
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Be responsible for your own safety instead of trying to weasel away his rights. Strictly speaking, eyesight is not required to use a gun.
I can't say that is the smartest comment I have read here.

Not trying to weasel away his rights...but I'm sorry...I don't use The Force when I shoot.

How is he supposed to identify a GG from a BG? If he's in his home/on his property--fair game. He should own whatever he wants.

On the street--how will he know a BG is a BG? We talk about how we look ahead and see a group of punks...and then we cross the street while keeping an eye on them. He does the same thing--and instead of a group of punks, it's Boy Scouts--and he feels threatened.

Is this common sense or what?

Next you'll tell me that since he's blind--it will be ok for anyone to drink a couple of beers, carry, and defend themselves with their firearm. Afterall, eyesight is not required to use a gun.
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By his own admission he can only effectively use a firearm at contact distances anyway. At such close range a good blade is more effective and something he could use safely. Sorry, I've got to agree with QK and others here, the first judge was right, this man can't safely use a concealed firearm to defend himself. I feel for him, I really do, but this just isn't safe. He has other options available to defend himself with and should utilize those.
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