Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide? - Page 3

Janq · May 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM

BTW I forgot to mention earlier, note the suicide population position of France.
They are at positions 9, 3, 2, 4, 6, 4, and 3 and aside from the 'age 15-24' grouping they are otherwise across the board much morelikely to kill themselves than the global average (!).
Citizen ownership of firearms is restricted in France.

From this two things can be inferred;
1) Guns have little to do with suicides in France, muchless elsewhere
2) Even French people don't like the French as based on suicide results. :\

- Janq

KsPete · May 21st, 2007, 07:36 PM

Since a gun is a great equalizer, I would think the murder rate would go up if guns could somehow be eliminated. There are plenty of smaller, weaker, older, handicapped, etc., people that would be at the mercy of a stronger attacker, even if he was only armed with a rock. Besides, just like drugs and alchohol (remember the prohibition era?), I don't believe guns can ever be totally eliminated... and they'll always be in the wrong hands.

nn · May 21st, 2007, 10:53 PM

Probably.....................................

miklcolt45 · May 22nd, 2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

By a degree, almost certainly, since now the act would be tougher to achieve. Most would try anyway, but the failure rate would rise. In the case of suicide, there would likely be more failed attempts.

Actually, the article states very clearly that many nations have higher suicide rates than the U.S. They just kill themselves by different means. In England, where the suicide rate among youths increased 10 times more sharply than in the U.S., they did so by car exhaust. (p. 692)

rj112275 · May 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM

Gee, why doesn't the government just outlaw murder and crime???

duh, people do what they want. A law banning firearms would just mean that the badguys are the only ones with guns. Thank goodness for the 2nd amendment. Our founding fathers were pretty remarkable folks. Could you imagine trying to write the 2nd amendment into law in today's political culture???

mark555 · May 22nd, 2007, 09:10 PM

Intersting, makes the Anti argument a bit thin.

Whyveear · May 24th, 2007, 09:49 PM

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Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder And Suicide?

Contrary to what the antis want you to believe, Gun control had no effect on the suicide rate in Canada. http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/...05ffmauser.pdf

May 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM	#21
Janq VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,882	BTW I forgot to mention earlier, note the suicide population position of France. They are at positions 9, 3, 2, 4, 6, 4, and 3 and aside from the 'age 15-24' grouping they are otherwise across the board much morelikely to kill themselves than the global average (!). Citizen ownership of firearms is restricted in France. From this two things can be inferred; 1) Guns have little to do with suicides in France, muchless elsewhere 2) Even French people don't like the French as based on suicide results. :\ - Janq __________________ "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy Monday, March 12, 2007 -- Op Ed -- The Washington Post

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mark555 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Center of the World Ma! Center of the World! Posts: 678	Intersting, makes the Anti argument a bit thin. __________________ "Hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." - William Munny (Clint Eastwood in the Unfrogivin) “The graveyards are full of indispensable men.” – Napoleon Bonaparte “My Idea of a fair fight is beating baby seals with a club”

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May 21st, 2007, 07:36 PM	#22
KsPete Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hutchinson, KS Posts: 24	Since a gun is a great equalizer, I would think the murder rate would go up if guns could somehow be eliminated. There are plenty of smaller, weaker, older, handicapped, etc., people that would be at the mercy of a stronger attacker, even if he was only armed with a rock. Besides, just like drugs and alchohol (remember the prohibition era?), I don't believe guns can ever be totally eliminated... and they'll always be in the wrong hands.

May 21st, 2007, 10:53 PM	#23
nn VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NC Posts: 4,308	Probably.....................................

May 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM	#25
rj112275 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: memphis Posts: 86	Gee, why doesn't the government just outlaw murder and crime??? duh, people do what they want. A law banning firearms would just mean that the badguys are the only ones with guns. Thank goodness for the 2nd amendment. Our founding fathers were pretty remarkable folks. Could you imagine trying to write the 2nd amendment into law in today's political culture???