Armed Citizen Patrol In New Haven - Page 2

CopperKnight · June 12th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Sounds like they are doing what they need to be doing. I don't know more than the article states, but it must have gotten bad to cause people to start "armed patrols".

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Originally Posted by TonyW

What happens if one of the citizens ends up pulling a weapon or heaven forbid shooting someone while on one of these patrols? They could be on very shaky legal ground. Having a gun for home protection or CCW is one thing, patroling armed is another IMO.

I'm not sure it is a different thing. It is a matter of self protection and I don't think we should prejudge them and think that they would pull a weapon or shoot someone unless it was necessary to protect someone. We have to give these people the same level of respect that any of us would expect if we are just out and about and carrying our weapon.

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Originally Posted by teagle

I didn't notice in the article anywhere, do you know if they are carrying concealed or openly? "Armed patrols" almost sounds like they are carrying openly.

I appears that "armed patrols" is the reporters verbiage. I wouldn't trust any reporter or paper to accurately cover anything, so I'm taking what is in the article with a grain of salt (or half the shaker) and wondering what information they aren't reporting that would add to the story.

I would hope for them that just the report in the paper that there are armed people on the street would work in their favor.

SCW · June 12th, 2007, 12:34 PM

I'd say the fact that is was in the newspaper and the word getting around has already made it a success, even if a single show never hits the pavement. Any two or three guys walking down the road could be a patrol.....and criminals don't like those odds.

Kudos to them for accepting that safety and security is a personal problem, body bags and paperwork is for the cops.

SIXTO · June 12th, 2007, 12:35 PM

I say good for them, but they are walking a very fine line. They are begging for legal trouble should they act, but I cant fault them for trying.

BIGSAM · June 12th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Well I remember the days of my father being an auxilary cop unarmed. There are always citizens ready to stand up. What we need to do is support them and guide them rather than take two steps back and just see what happens. Regardless, it's a good thing.
My .02. Sam.

Captain Crunch · June 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM

There's a big difference between a neighborhood watch program and a vigilante mob.

This is a tragedy waiting to happen.

Anybody remember the Guardian Angels?

Cupcake · June 12th, 2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky

If the attacked person talked w/ PD patrol earlier, it sounds like a bad neighborhood. How much PD presence does a neighborhood expect. PD cannot be everywhere , perhaps they should encourage citizens to personally carry , rather than armed patrols.

Really good point. If people would just be responsible for themselves, these guys wouldn't need to play sheepdog.

obxned · June 12th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Sounds like the only other option is give in to the BGs.

TonyW · June 12th, 2007, 04:28 PM

From what little the article has it does sound like they are in a bad spot. However, going about your normal business like ShadeAngel taking a walk is different than making a point of going out armed to prevent crimes. It is my opinion, and just my opinion, that CCW is for protection of my family and myself only. If they are out for the stated purpose of policing their neighborhood I think they could be on shaky legal ground. I'm not saying that they don't have problems and that this may be the only way they know to solve them. And I'm obviously not against people taking charge and responsibility of their lives. I'm just saying that they need to realize what they are doing and the possible civil and legal consequences of their actions. The police can not be everywhere, neither do I want them to be, but there is a line between private action and responsibility and vigilantism (sp?). Either way I hope these folks all the success in taking back their neighborhood from the goblins.

wareagleky · June 12th, 2007, 04:37 PM

Sounds like this could turn into a real mess, if they aren't careful.

Deacon51 · June 12th, 2007, 05:08 PM

Well lets hope that they are all responsable gun owners that will obey the letter of the law.

June 12th, 2007, 12:35 PM	#13
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 9,997	I say good for them, but they are walking a very fine line. They are begging for legal trouble should they act, but I cant fault them for trying. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. Wake Up! The zombie invasion has begun years ago.

June 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#15
Captain Crunch Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montana, The Treasure State Posts: 6,653	There's a big difference between a neighborhood watch program and a vigilante mob. This is a tragedy waiting to happen. Anybody remember the Guardian Angels? __________________ *"Just be nice...or I'LL SHOOT"!* Terry

June 12th, 2007, 03:16 PM	#17
obxned Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 1,737	Sounds like the only other option is give in to the BGs. __________________ http://www.obxammo.com/ There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion. When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.

June 12th, 2007, 04:28 PM	#18
TonyW Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 680	From what little the article has it does sound like they are in a bad spot. However, going about your normal business like ShadeAngel taking a walk is different than making a point of going out armed to prevent crimes. It is my opinion, and just my opinion, that CCW is for protection of my family and myself only. If they are out for the stated purpose of policing their neighborhood I think they could be on shaky legal ground. I'm not saying that they don't have problems and that this may be the only way they know to solve them. And I'm obviously not against people taking charge and responsibility of their lives. I'm just saying that they need to realize what they are doing and the possible civil and legal consequences of their actions. The police can not be everywhere, neither do I want them to be, but there is a line between private action and responsibility and vigilantism (sp?). Either way I hope these folks all the success in taking back their neighborhood from the goblins. __________________ There can be no proper relationship between one who is armed and one who is not; nor is it reasonable to expect that one who is armed will voluntarily obey one who is not, or that the latter will feel secure among servants who are armed. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli

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June 12th, 2007, 12:34 PM	#12
SCW Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 24	I'd say the fact that is was in the newspaper and the word getting around has already made it a success, even if a single show never hits the pavement. Any two or three guys walking down the road could be a patrol.....and criminals don't like those odds. Kudos to them for accepting that safety and security is a personal problem, body bags and paperwork is for the cops.

June 12th, 2007, 12:42 PM	#14
BIGSAM Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albany, Ga Posts: 110	Well I remember the days of my father being an auxilary cop unarmed. There are always citizens ready to stand up. What we need to do is support them and guide them rather than take two steps back and just see what happens. Regardless, it's a good thing. My .02. Sam.

June 12th, 2007, 04:37 PM	#19
wareagleky Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 228	Sounds like this could turn into a real mess, if they aren't careful.

June 12th, 2007, 05:08 PM	#20
Deacon51 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 238	Well lets hope that they are all responsable gun owners that will obey the letter of the law.