Armed Citizen Patrol In New Haven - Page 3

havegunjoe · June 12th, 2007, 05:24 PM

This Rabbi has the right idea if you ask me on how to deal with the rising crime in his area.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1848814/posts

Since you can't rely on the police to be there when you need them and unarmed patrols are useless as far as I am concerned, I like this way of dealing with the issue.

CopperKnight · June 12th, 2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyW

...If they are out for the stated purpose of policing their neighborhood I think they could be on shaky legal ground. I'm not saying that they don't have problems and that this may be the only way they know to solve them. And I'm obviously not against people taking charge and responsibility of their lives. I'm just saying that they need to realize what they are doing and the possible civil and legal consequences of their actions. The police can not be everywhere, neither do I want them to be, but there is a line between private action and responsibility and vigilantism (sp?). Either way I hope these folks all the success in taking back their neighborhood from the goblins.

I agree with you here. I've been thinking this out and you are right on with these statements. It may be the only option they have left, but it's hard to tell by the one story. But then again, anyone who is forced to fire a shot in self-defense could be on shaky legal ground depending upon the leanings of the state and prosecutor staff. If you are out and about looking for trouble (I'm not implying that they are trying to get into trouble, just out looking for any trouble.) you compound the issue.

havegunjoe · June 12th, 2007, 05:27 PM

Sorry mods I didn't see this was already posted. I did a search but came up empty. Maybe you could attach this to the other post.

peacefuljeffrey · June 12th, 2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate392

"Individuals who carry weapons with the intent of enforcing what they find to be appropriate or inappropriate behavior in their neighborhood is a recipe for disaster," DeStefano said.

This is not about enforcing people's preference for what kind of clothes others wear, or how loud they play their music -- this is about enforcing the law that says people can't HURT or ROB other people, and ****** if a mayor is out there saying that the people have no right to make sure crimes are not committed! This guy should be forced out on his

!!!!!

peacefuljeffrey · June 12th, 2007, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wareagleky

Sounds like this could turn into a real mess, if they aren't careful.

I take it that you mean a legal mess; because if the people don't feel safe in their neighborhood and can't go out and enjoy life without fear of crime victimization, then things are already a mess, and creative solutions have to be attempted.

havegunjoe · June 12th, 2007, 05:38 PM

"Individuals who carry weapons with the intent of enforcing what they find to be appropriate or inappropriate behavior in their neighborhood is a recipe for disaster," DeStefano said."

The inappropriate behavior Mayor is being mugged on the street where you live. If I am walking around armed, as I always do, could that be considered trying to enforce good behavior? Am I looking for trouble? Actually I am so that I can avoid it, that is what situational awareness is all about. I'm just taking a walk, try and mug me and see what happens. I have a right to protect myself. I think this Rabbi has the right idea.

peacefuljeffrey · June 12th, 2007, 05:48 PM

I'm about to run to work so I don't have the time.

Can anyone see about a contact e-mail address and a phone number (especially a phone number) for this mayor, so that we can tell him people as far away as Nevada, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. support the rabbi and his well-intentioned take-back-the-neighborhood "armed patrol"? And that we support the idea of good people being armed for defense against bad people?

He needs to hear how many people have been informed of his ludicrous stance -- which actually makes it seem like he's working for the drug dealers!

packinnova · June 13th, 2007, 10:33 AM

Sounds like they need Kudos to me!

. Why is it that some of us fail to see the moral ground we stand on in defend ourselves and others. We need a few of these folks in every major city...starting with DC!

JD · June 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM

The possible problems aren't going to be caused by walking around while armed, it's assembling an armed detail to patrol the neighborhoods, while I can totally agree with what thier doing, I can also see the potential danger.

Some areas in CT are getting pretty bad, especially around the Hartford area and surrounding suburbs.

I think the point that alot of people are trying to make is that CCW is for self defense, once you decide to start "patroling" your taking away that defensive posture and are on the offensive.

Patrols aren't friendly walks around the town, your looking for something.

I can't fault them for their efforts, I think we can all agree that they chould be commended for their actions.

I just hope that they put forth the effort to study the laws in CT, and don't put themselves in a bad position.

They basicly had two options, one was to do this privately without media attention, and just go for "walks". The other was to get some media attention and "patrol".

I think they did the right thing with number two, it will put the spot light on the Mayor and the PD to perform, possibly cause a budget increase that will allow more Police on the street, and second, the BGs may think twice after the publicity regarding this matter, I know I'd think twice if there's a patrol of armed citizens roaming my area of operation.

ccw9mm · June 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM

If nothing else, it may root out the bureaucratic weevils who care more about their territory than improving the lot of residents' lives. I wish them well, as this could be a minefield unless well-backed by the Sheriff, Chief of Police, the District Attorney. That's a lot of firepower, and they could all end up stomped on by self-righteous functionaries with more power than sense.

I'm all for the idea. Who better to know the street than the townsfolk. Nobody's got more incentive to get this one right. Their lives are on the line every day, so they certainly understand the score. They'll just have to do the ol' "soft shoe" with "the powers" ... and be careful in how they gather, patrol. Taking walks around the neighborhood is fine. They'd darned well better be able to articulate their motives for the walk, their defensive posture if attacked or if they personally witness a crime, the steps they take, etc. With a DA/Sheriff/Chief that don't understand, they could all be in for a rough ride, otherwise.

June 12th, 2007, 05:24 PM	#21
havegunjoe Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,781	Armed Citizen Patrol In New Haven This Rabbi has the right idea if you ask me on how to deal with the rising crime in his area. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1848814/posts Since you can't rely on the police to be there when you need them and unarmed patrols are useless as far as I am concerned, I like this way of dealing with the issue. __________________ DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE. Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor Utah Permit Certified Instructor

June 12th, 2007, 05:27 PM	#23
havegunjoe Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,781	Sorry mods I didn't see this was already posted. I did a search but came up empty. Maybe you could attach this to the other post. __________________ DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE. Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor Utah Permit Certified Instructor

June 12th, 2007, 05:38 PM	#26
havegunjoe Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,781	"Individuals who carry weapons with the intent of enforcing what they find to be appropriate or inappropriate behavior in their neighborhood is a recipe for disaster," DeStefano said." The inappropriate behavior Mayor is being mugged on the street where you live. If I am walking around armed, as I always do, could that be considered trying to enforce good behavior? Am I looking for trouble? Actually I am so that I can avoid it, that is what situational awareness is all about. I'm just taking a walk, try and mug me and see what happens. I have a right to protect myself. I think this Rabbi has the right idea. __________________ DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE. Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor Utah Permit Certified Instructor

June 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM	#29
JD Senior Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bedford County Virginia Posts: 8,890	Only Wime Will Tell... The possible problems aren't going to be caused by walking around while armed, it's assembling an armed detail to patrol the neighborhoods, while I can totally agree with what thier doing, I can also see the potential danger. Some areas in CT are getting pretty bad, especially around the Hartford area and surrounding suburbs. I think the point that alot of people are trying to make is that CCW is for self defense, once you decide to start "patroling" your taking away that defensive posture and are on the offensive. Patrols aren't friendly walks around the town, your looking for something. I can't fault them for their efforts, I think we can all agree that they chould be commended for their actions. I just hope that they put forth the effort to study the laws in CT, and don't put themselves in a bad position. They basicly had two options, one was to do this privately without media attention, and just go for "walks". The other was to get some media attention and "patrol". I think they did the right thing with number two, it will put the spot light on the Mayor and the PD to perform, possibly cause a budget increase that will allow more Police on the street, and second, the BGs may think twice after the publicity regarding this matter, I know I'd think twice if there's a patrol of armed citizens roaming my area of operation. __________________ Looking for something else to read? Check out the DefensiveCarry.com Blog Section Forum Customs & Courtesies Forum Usage: Tips and Tricks

June 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM	#30
ccw9mm VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 5,943	If nothing else, it may root out the bureaucratic weevils who care more about their territory than improving the lot of residents' lives. I wish them well, as this could be a minefield unless well-backed by the Sheriff, Chief of Police, the District Attorney. That's a lot of firepower, and they could all end up stomped on by self-righteous functionaries with more power than sense. I'm all for the idea. Who better to know the street than the townsfolk. Nobody's got more incentive to get this one right. Their lives are on the line every day, so they certainly understand the score. They'll just have to do the ol' "soft shoe" with "the powers" ... and be careful in how they gather, patrol. Taking walks around the neighborhood is fine. They'd darned well better be able to articulate their motives for the walk, their defensive posture if attacked or if they personally witness a crime, the steps they take, etc. With a DA/Sheriff/Chief that don't understand, they could all be in for a rough ride, otherwise. __________________ Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it. Reports: CZ P01 pt1, pt2. Thoughts: Justifiable self defense. Reality: Disarming citizens only results in more victims. Tip: Use the <search> feature.

June 12th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#27
peacefuljeffrey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: south Florida Posts: 3,169	I'm about to run to work so I don't have the time. Can anyone see about a contact e-mail address and a phone number (especially a phone number) for this mayor, so that we can tell him people as far away as Nevada, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. support the rabbi and his well-intentioned take-back-the-neighborhood "armed patrol"? And that we support the idea of good people being armed for defense against bad people? He needs to hear how many people have been informed of his ludicrous stance -- which actually makes it seem like he's working for the drug dealers!

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