Neighbor and his new rifle - Page 2

TN_Mike · June 25th, 2007, 10:54 PM

You did the right thing....don't worry about it.

ccw9mm · June 26th, 2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MIKEV

... my wife and now our 10month old baby girl ... neighbor from 2 doors down walks over with what appear to be an "AR-15 type" ... magazine INSERTED ... a finger or two inside the trigger guard ...

the very last thing would involve an ND and a wounded family member.

You've got the right idea. Bad juju, until you know. A rifle with magazine inserted, finger inserted and two guys yackin' it up can make for mistakes. Around your wife and child? Better to know than to be sorry for the rest of your life. A few minutes of pool privileges aren't worth that. Why not simply speak with the neighbor, to get a feel for his awareness and basic handling skills? Seems to me, it's far better to know than merely guess. Your family members' lives may depend on it, no matter what others may think of you.

Bark'n · June 26th, 2007, 01:54 AM

I think discreetly getting out of that situation was handled excellent. No need upsetting the natives with rightous indignation as to their manual of arms with wife and infant there.

I liked Jang's idea but again, wife and kid was there so I think your idea of later on stopping by with your weapon to show and pointing out your safety lessons in a non threatening way would be cool too.

I just wouldn't totally ignore the situation as they do live in close proximity to you and you don't want to be a statistic later on down the road. And since they are friendly folks and you seem to like them, educating them in a friendly and subtle manner hopefully will go a long way in remaining friends.

FknRa · June 26th, 2007, 02:15 AM

when I go camping with my uncles what went on at your neighbors BBQ would have gotten you a slap on the back of the head and sent home. It doesn't matter who you are with, or what sort of impression you want to leave. In my opinion there are rules that can be bent and there are rules written in stone. Clearing a weapon in a safe direction is rule #1 written in stone. That sucker is ALWAYS loaded. Even after you have checked it visually and manually 3 times. I don't care if you are the Pope or the President. In God I trust, everyone else point that sucker away from me or we will not be hanging out any more. Getting shot by a bad guy sucks, Getting shot by a friend sux even more.

I would have politely and firmly asked them to clear the weapon and suggested aiming it in a safer direction as "you can never be to carefull ;D " I would rather keep the red stuff on the inside than hang on to Pool Privelages.

Bark'n · June 26th, 2007, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FknRa

...In my opinion there are rules that can be bent and there are rules written in stone. Clearing a weapon in a safe direction is rule #1 written in stone...

...I would have politely and firmly asked them to clear the weapon and suggested aiming it in a safer direction as "you can never be to carefull ;D " I would rather keep the red stuff on the inside than hang on to Pool Privelages.

Ya know... I agree 100%. Don't know what I was thinking on my last post! My Bad!

Be polite, by all means... but be firm and insist on them clearing the weapon. Period.

I feel sheepish now!

FknRa · June 26th, 2007, 04:43 AM

No need to feel sheepish we are all here to learn. I went to the range with an aquaintance once. He pointed a pistol at my COM. I took it away from him. It "wasn't loaded". I pointed it downrange and fired off a round.

I have been increadably fortunate. I have had one ND. Not AD, In my mind there is no accidental before the word discharge. I was out shooting with my now wife. I was teaching her to shoot my ruger10/22. she fired off "10" rounds and handed me the rifle back. I could have sworn it was 10, why else would she hand it back to me. I then proceeded to fire a round into the trees.

I'm lucky. It was pointed in a safe direction. I grew up around guns. I carried them at work. I got complacent. It will never happen again and I will do my absolute best to not only ensure that I am safe, but that those around me will be safe too. I won't make a big deal of it, but if the people I am around don't care about my safety enough to follow some basic rules, then I can go find others to hang out with.

like i read somewhere around here.
#1 always loaded
#2 keep the booger hooker off the bang switch

CopperKnight · June 26th, 2007, 12:37 PM

The dust cover being closed meant he hadn't opened the action to check, that's why it was important to you.

I've met several gun owners who I would not be around when they had guns out. Your subconscious tells you things even if you can't bring the reason to the front of your mind. Listen to it.

blueyedevil · June 26th, 2007, 01:12 PM

OK, Just because the dust-cover is closed doesn't mean the chamber hasn't been checked. I as well just about every other person who has been in the military since they adopted Stoners little plastic rifle, has gotten in the habit of closing the dust-cover directly after checking the chamber. As well as any other time when you're not actually shooting. How closely were you watching them? Secondly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a rifle outside of a vehicle, even if a detatchable box magazine is inserted. There is nothing illegal about it, and as a matter of fact the old 2A even has that part that says you have a right to "BEAR" arms (that means carry them around). Maybe in maryland you've been so neutered by the ultra-liberal establishment that a man brazenly carrying around his "evil black rifle" in public seems like it must be wrong, unsafe or illegal, but it's not. The finger in the triggergaurd is a safety infraction, unless the guy did verify that the chamber and magazine were empty, and intended to check out the trigger, I don't know how well you were observing their conversation. The fact that you seem to think that they managed to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction this whole time makes me think you probably overeacted, if two guys can maintain muzzle awareness while tinkering with a new gun, they are probably pretty safe.

MIKEV · June 26th, 2007, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueyedevil

OK, Just because the dust-cover is closed doesn't mean the chamber hasn't been checked. I as well just about every other person who has been in the military since they adopted Stoners little plastic rifle, has gotten in the habit of closing the dust-cover directly after checking the chamber. As well as any other time when you're not actually shooting. How closely were you watching them? Secondly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a rifle outside of a vehicle, even if a detatchable box magazine is inserted. There is nothing illegal about it, and as a matter of fact the old 2A even has that part that says you have a right to "BEAR" arms (that means carry them around). Maybe in maryland you've been so neutered by the ultra-liberal establishment that a man brazenly carrying around his "evil black rifle" in public seems like it must be wrong, unsafe or illegal, but it's not. The finger in the triggergaurd is a safety infraction, unless the guy did verify that the chamber and magazine were empty, and intended to check out the trigger, I don't know how well you were observing their conversation. The fact that you seem to think that they managed to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction this whole time makes me think you probably overeacted, if two guys can maintain muzzle awareness while tinkering with a new gun, they are probably pretty safe.

Their legality was never questioned by ME!! Also if you think pointing a rifle into a field over a well traveled street is safely controling the muzzle? I would have to disagree. I do agree with you on the dust cover thing though being a former Soldier myself.

I do think that you read others reaction to my post and attributed them to me, and Further think that you didn't read my post very well if you overlooked the part about the road. There are reasons you can't hunt over roads.

Thanks MikeV

Sir, Please accept my appologize, I just re-read my original post and you read it correctly but I wrote it wrong. I just changed it to read "...wasn't the best......"

My Bad!!

MIKEV · June 26th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CopperKnight

The dust cover being closed meant he hadn't opened the action to check, that's why it was important to you.

I've met several gun owners who I would not be around when they had guns out. Your subconscious tells you things even if you can't bring the reason to the front of your mind. Listen to it.

Thanks, I think it was a little bit of that, Sir.

MikeV

June 25th, 2007, 10:54 PM	#11
TN_Mike VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington, TN Posts: 5,123	You did the right thing....don't worry about it. __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. —Barry Goldwater 1968 Tennessee Firearms Association

June 26th, 2007, 01:54 AM	#13
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,619	I think discreetly getting out of that situation was handled excellent. No need upsetting the natives with rightous indignation as to their manual of arms with wife and infant there. I liked Jang's idea but again, wife and kid was there so I think your idea of later on stopping by with your weapon to show and pointing out your safety lessons in a non threatening way would be cool too. I just wouldn't totally ignore the situation as they do live in close proximity to you and you don't want to be a statistic later on down the road. And since they are friendly folks and you seem to like them, educating them in a friendly and subtle manner hopefully will go a long way in remaining friends. __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

June 26th, 2007, 02:15 AM	#14
FknRa Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shingle Springs, Ca Posts: 300	when I go camping with my uncles what went on at your neighbors BBQ would have gotten you a slap on the back of the head and sent home. It doesn't matter who you are with, or what sort of impression you want to leave. In my opinion there are rules that can be bent and there are rules written in stone. Clearing a weapon in a safe direction is rule #1 written in stone. That sucker is ALWAYS loaded. Even after you have checked it visually and manually 3 times. I don't care if you are the Pope or the President. In God I trust, everyone else point that sucker away from me or we will not be hanging out any more. Getting shot by a bad guy sucks, Getting shot by a friend sux even more. I would have politely and firmly asked them to clear the weapon and suggested aiming it in a safer direction as "you can never be to carefull ;D " I would rather keep the red stuff on the inside than hang on to Pool Privelages. __________________ To those that paid for my freedom, I WILL NEVER FORGET. As with all statements I've made and All that I will make, please check your local laws to verify accuracy. (and if i'm wrong let me know as I like to be right in the future) After all I'm just some goofball posting on an internet forum.

June 26th, 2007, 04:43 AM	#16
FknRa Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shingle Springs, Ca Posts: 300	No need to feel sheepish we are all here to learn. I went to the range with an aquaintance once. He pointed a pistol at my COM. I took it away from him. It "wasn't loaded". I pointed it downrange and fired off a round. I have been increadably fortunate. I have had one ND. Not AD, In my mind there is no accidental before the word discharge. I was out shooting with my now wife. I was teaching her to shoot my ruger10/22. she fired off "10" rounds and handed me the rifle back. I could have sworn it was 10, why else would she hand it back to me. I then proceeded to fire a round into the trees. I'm lucky. It was pointed in a safe direction. I grew up around guns. I carried them at work. I got complacent. It will never happen again and I will do my absolute best to not only ensure that I am safe, but that those around me will be safe too. I won't make a big deal of it, but if the people I am around don't care about my safety enough to follow some basic rules, then I can go find others to hang out with. like i read somewhere around here. #1 always loaded #2 keep the booger hooker off the bang switch __________________ To those that paid for my freedom, I WILL NEVER FORGET. As with all statements I've made and All that I will make, please check your local laws to verify accuracy. (and if i'm wrong let me know as I like to be right in the future) After all I'm just some goofball posting on an internet forum.

June 26th, 2007, 12:37 PM	#17
CopperKnight Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Spokane area, WA Posts: 4,586	The dust cover being closed meant he hadn't opened the action to check, that's why it was important to you. I've met several gun owners who I would not be around when they had guns out. Your subconscious tells you things even if you can't bring the reason to the front of your mind. Listen to it. __________________ Being happy doesn't mean everything's perfect, but that you've decided to see beyond the imperfections. The only thing that stops bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. SgtD

June 26th, 2007, 01:12 PM	#18
blueyedevil Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 616	OK, Just because the dust-cover is closed doesn't mean the chamber hasn't been checked. I as well just about every other person who has been in the military since they adopted Stoners little plastic rifle, has gotten in the habit of closing the dust-cover directly after checking the chamber. As well as any other time when you're not actually shooting. How closely were you watching them? Secondly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a rifle outside of a vehicle, even if a detatchable box magazine is inserted. There is nothing illegal about it, and as a matter of fact the old 2A even has that part that says you have a right to "BEAR" arms (that means carry them around). Maybe in maryland you've been so neutered by the ultra-liberal establishment that a man brazenly carrying around his "evil black rifle" in public seems like it must be wrong, unsafe or illegal, but it's not. The finger in the triggergaurd is a safety infraction, unless the guy did verify that the chamber and magazine were empty, and intended to check out the trigger, I don't know how well you were observing their conversation. The fact that you seem to think that they managed to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction this whole time makes me think you probably overeacted, if two guys can maintain muzzle awareness while tinkering with a new gun, they are probably pretty safe.

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