More Illinois insanity for manufacturers

ELCruisr · June 26th, 2007, 08:02 AM

It's not just Les Baer.....

http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=343309

As a business owner I really can feel their pain. I guess these communities don't need the jobs or tax base?

SammyIamToday · June 26th, 2007, 09:23 AM

I hope every single one of them moves to a state that wants them and enjoys their business. I appreciate their loyalty to their employees. That's a rare thing these days, but imo, it's time to cut losses and get out of Dodge. Then maybe we can kick Illinois out of the US and let it join the European Union that it so desperately wants to emulate.

ccw9mm · June 26th, 2007, 09:58 AM

Illinois is certainly shooting itself in the foot. Feet, for my money, but "they" must know what they're doing. Otherwise, there'd be no point at all.

In the case of Geneseo firms, they could move 10mi west and be in Iowa. Unknown if that would be any better. Can't imagine it could be any worse. And they'd be able to keep most, if not all, of their skilled employees.

The quoted story, for those that prefer not to follow the links.

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Quad Cities Online, 06/21/2007

Gun makers in limbo, with one eye on lawmakers

By Stephen Elliott, selliott@qconline.com

Area gun manufacturers remain in limbo, unsure if Illinois legislators could put them out of business.

Bills were introduced this year in the Illinois legislature to outlaw high-capacity gun magazines, to ban the .50-caliber rifle, and to ban some types of semi-automatic weapons.

The assaults on the industry were tougher this year, according to gun manufacturers, and that has stalled expansion plans at many of the businesses.

Most have made plans to move to other states if necessary, while one firm -- Les Baer Custom of Hillsdale -- has called it a day.

The firm is in the process of moving operations to LeClaire. While many of the current employees will likely follow the firm to Iowa, owner Les Baer also plans on hiring eight more people, expanding his staff to 24 employees.

Mr. Baer said the move was in large part due to the constant threats of new Illinois laws that would ban or curtail his gun manufacturing business.

Mark Westrom, owner of ArmaLite Inc., in Geneseo, employs about 85 people. Because of this year's heated battles in Springfield, he's unsure what the firm's future in Geneseo will be.

"We have an actual factory -- we have huge machines, and we need more. We need to expand," Mr. Westrom said Wednesday. "In Illinois, we're cautious about expansion. I've already looked at sites elsewhere.

"It's nuts. It's crazy," he said. "We've got states, cities and counties all contacting us. But, I've got good people here. You can't just pull those people out of trees. They have spouses, families, houses. We'll make a decision (on moving) based on the needs of our production."

Bill Dermody, spokesman for Springfield Armory, Geneseo, said with 170 employees, it's hard to move operations.

Like ArmaLite, Springfield desperately needs to expand, he said. But to do so in the current Illinois political climate is risky.

"From our customer service to our machine shop, we're just elbow to elbow," Mr. Dermody said. "We just have no room."

The company still hasn't decided what it will do, he said. "Either you deal with (gun legislation) year in and year out, or you leave," he said. "We really don't want to leave. But, we have this black cloud hanging over our heads that isn't about to blow away."

A spokesman for Rock River Arms, Colona, said it can no longer bring in more employees or inventory into the building.

"We've needed to expand since Jan. 1," the spokesman, who declined to be named, said. "We'd like to build and add more jobs. But with the state legislators talking the way they are, it doesn't make sense to sink several million dollars in a new facility when, next year, you can be thrown out of the state."

At Lewis Machine and Tool Co., Milan, it's the same as far as expansion. Company president Karl Lewis said they have approximately 110 employees, but want to add more with expansion.

"We've had architectural plans to expand our business since 2000," Mr. Lewis said. "And, every year, when legislation comes up, we just say we'll make do."

But this year came close to driving Mr. Lewis' company out of Milan and out of Illinois.

"We like it here," he said. "It's a good community and a good environment. Yet, there were a lot of people from other states that came here with presentations to us. It opened my eyes and gave me pause to see that other states are embracing our business.

"We are being romanced or catered to by about every state around us plus some quite far away," Mr. Lewis said. "When someone says, 'we don't want you here,' it doesn't take very long to move."

Tom Mannard, executive director of Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said he wants to see compromise between legislators and gun manufacturers.

"It's a delicate balance," he said. "You could have a bill that prohibits the sale of assault weapons in Illinois, but allows the manufacturers to continue to manufacture and sell outside of Illinois. The current measures don't allow that."

kentuckycarry · June 26th, 2007, 10:49 AM

No surprise here.

CopperKnight · June 26th, 2007, 12:30 PM

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Tom Mannard, executive director of Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said he wants to see compromise between legislators and gun manufacturers.

"It's a delicate balance," he said. "You could have a bill that prohibits the sale of assault weapons in Illinois, but allows the manufacturers to continue to manufacture and sell outside of Illinois. The current measures don't allow that."

This has got to be one of the most hypocritical statements I have heard in a long time. He is saying "We don't want them here, but it's OK to make them and sell them to other places." Guess I shouldn't be surprised. Bleah!

portsider44 · June 26th, 2007, 12:40 PM

agree CopperKnight,

goawayfarm · June 26th, 2007, 12:42 PM

I don't envy their position...........

They are left with only a few options:

Do they stay & fight a battle in place where the odds are against them?
Do they stay & try to 'get along' without a fight?
Do they pack it in & leave?

This is an example of where the Federal government should use the 'commerce clause' for what it was intended! These are legal products & deserve to be protected!

jualdeaux · June 26th, 2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CopperKnight

This has got to be one of the most hypocritical statements I have heard in a long time. He is saying "We don't want them here, but it's OK to make them and sell them to other places." Guess I shouldn't be surprised. Bleah!

That was exactly my first reaction.

Taurus111 · June 26th, 2007, 06:47 PM

I live in Illinois and I hate this stupid state. Right now, if I fail my paramedic test on the first try, there are no more tests scheduled for July because our General Assembly can't get their heads out of their rears for long enough to pass a budget!!

Dont even get me started about the gun laws!!

Protect · June 26th, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CopperKnight

This has got to be one of the most hypocritical statements I have heard in a long time. He is saying "We don't want them here, but it's OK to make them and sell them to other places." Guess I shouldn't be surprised. Bleah!

They want the tax income from the manufacturer.

June 26th, 2007, 08:02 AM	#1
ELCruisr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Central FL Posts: 1,876	More Illinois insanity for manufacturers It's not just Les Baer..... http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=343309 As a business owner I really can feel their pain. I guess these communities don't need the jobs or tax base? __________________ If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.

June 26th, 2007, 09:23 AM	#2
SammyIamToday VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,077	I hope every single one of them moves to a state that wants them and enjoys their business. I appreciate their loyalty to their employees. That's a rare thing these days, but imo, it's time to cut losses and get out of Dodge. Then maybe we can kick Illinois out of the US and let it join the European Union that it so desperately wants to emulate. __________________ ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

June 26th, 2007, 12:42 PM	#7
goawayfarm Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fork Union, Virginia Posts: 1,987	I don't envy their position........... They are left with only a few options: Do they stay & fight a battle in place where the odds are against them? Do they stay & try to 'get along' without a fight? Do they pack it in & leave? This is an example of where the Federal government should use the 'commerce clause' for what it was intended! These are legal products & deserve to be protected! __________________ Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper

June 26th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#9
Taurus111 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mattoon, IL Posts: 69	I live in Illinois and I hate this stupid state. Right now, if I fail my paramedic test on the first try, there are no more tests scheduled for July because our General Assembly can't get their heads out of their rears for long enough to pass a budget!! Dont even get me started about the gun laws!! __________________ If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. --Thomas Paine December 19, 1776 The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. --Abraham Lincoln http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13226.htm

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June 26th, 2007, 10:49 AM	#4
kentuckycarry Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 1,861	No surprise here.

June 26th, 2007, 12:40 PM	#6
portsider44 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 70	agree CopperKnight,