Are Glocks and XDs a flawed design due pulling the trigger before dissassembly

Scott · November 8th, 2007, 08:08 AM

A derail in another thread prompted this one. Please vote and comment as you feel necessary.

OPFOR · November 8th, 2007, 08:11 AM

No. All firearms should (must) be cleared prior to disassembly. Operator stupidity at this level is not a design flaw.

MNBurl · November 8th, 2007, 08:12 AM

No - People need to condition themselves to do disassembly or unloading in the correct order. Then no problem. If they can't, they need a different gun with a decocker.

ron8903 · November 8th, 2007, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OPFOR

No. All firearms should (must) be cleared prior to disassembly. Operator stupidity at this level is not a design flaw.

My answer as well.

SammyIamToday · November 8th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OPFOR

No. All firearms should (must) be cleared prior to disassembly. Operator stupidity at this level is not a design flaw.

+50,0000 Don't be an idiot with your handgun and there are no problems.

P95Carry · November 8th, 2007, 10:25 AM

The voting already provides the answer.

Altho I do not like the method required it is no way something to have to be seen as an unsafe practice. Between the ears - is where safety resides.

S3ymour · November 8th, 2007, 10:52 AM

IMHO, this is yet another way of darwinism. You forget to follow the 4 rules, you just helped clear the world of one more unintelligent person. I think it is great.

Bob The Great · November 8th, 2007, 11:02 AM

"unsafe" maybe not, but un-necessary? absolutely. It forces the operator to break one of the 4 rules: keep your finger off the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. What if the gun required that it be held in such a way that it pointed at your chest as you dry-fired to disassemble it? That would break 2 rules, and most people would not be comfortable with that. Why be comfortable breaking only one? Especially when it could be easily designed to not require this.

OPFOR · November 8th, 2007, 11:14 AM

Bob, to be fair, you do want the gun to "fire." There are times when it is appropriate to pull the trigger and not expect to discharge a round - every armorer in the military pulls the trigger on a (hopefully) empty chamber every time the stick an M4/M16 into the arms room, for example. Many of us manually lower the hammer of a SA pistol or revolver for storage, etc.

IMO, this does not violate any of the rules, because you are consciously choosing to pull the trigger, and expecting a particular result. As long as you are certain that the weapon is clear, are pointing it in a safe direction, and are fully in control of your own actions, what is unsafe?

Duisburg · November 8th, 2007, 11:21 AM

My glocks I am almost analretentive about clearing the gun, pulling the slide back over and over and over after first taking my magazine out and then I point it in a safe direction and then pull the trigger.

Safety is key, my gun should protect me, keep me safe and I should be responsible enough to not shoot myself, anyone else or other unintended objects.

View Poll Results: Are Glocks and XDs a flawed design (pulling trigger to disassemble)
What's a Glock or XD?	0	0%
Yes, this is unsafe and should be changed.	19	13.19%
No, your safety is in your head and following the 4 rules.	114	79.17%
Never had one, maybe never will.	11	7.64%
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November 8th, 2007, 08:08 AM	#1
Scott Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 4,589	Are Glocks and XDs a flawed design due pulling the trigger before dissassembly A derail in another thread prompted this one. Please vote and comment as you feel necessary. __________________ Obamamessiah... Let the miracles begin!!!

November 8th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#2
OPFOR VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baghdad Posts: 2,532	No. All firearms should (must) be cleared prior to disassembly. Operator stupidity at this level is not a design flaw. __________________ "It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

November 8th, 2007, 08:12 AM	#3
MNBurl VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,002	No - People need to condition themselves to do disassembly or unloading in the correct order. Then no problem. If they can't, they need a different gun with a decocker. __________________ MNBurl Side Guard Holsters "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton.

November 8th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#6
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,403	The voting already provides the answer. Altho I do not like the method required it is no way something to have to be seen as an unsafe practice. Between the ears - is where safety resides. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

November 8th, 2007, 10:52 AM	#7
S3ymour Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 429	IMHO, this is yet another way of darwinism. You forget to follow the 4 rules, you just helped clear the world of one more unintelligent person. I think it is great.

November 8th, 2007, 11:02 AM	#8
Bob The Great Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Slidell, LA Posts: 1,468	"unsafe" maybe not, but un-necessary? absolutely. It forces the operator to break one of the 4 rules: keep your finger off the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. What if the gun required that it be held in such a way that it pointed at your chest as you dry-fired to disassemble it? That would break 2 rules, and most people would not be comfortable with that. Why be comfortable breaking only one? Especially when it could be easily designed to not require this. __________________ "A well-educated electorate, being necessary to the continuance of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed." Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?

November 8th, 2007, 11:14 AM	#9
OPFOR VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baghdad Posts: 2,532	Bob, to be fair, you do want the gun to "fire." There are times when it is appropriate to pull the trigger and not expect to discharge a round - every armorer in the military pulls the trigger on a (hopefully) empty chamber every time the stick an M4/M16 into the arms room, for example. Many of us manually lower the hammer of a SA pistol or revolver for storage, etc. IMO, this does not violate any of the rules, because you are consciously choosing to pull the trigger, and expecting a particular result. As long as you are certain that the weapon is clear, are pointing it in a safe direction, and are fully in control of your own actions, what is unsafe? __________________ "It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

November 8th, 2007, 11:21 AM	#10
Duisburg Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Duisburg, Germany Posts: 656	My glocks I am almost analretentive about clearing the gun, pulling the slide back over and over and over after first taking my magazine out and then I point it in a safe direction and then pull the trigger. Safety is key, my gun should protect me, keep me safe and I should be responsible enough to not shoot myself, anyone else or other unintended objects. __________________ I am sworn to protect the Constitution of the U.S.A. from all threats both foreign and domestic.

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