Microstamping news: STI Stopping Sales in Cali.: MERGED - Page 3

Gun Bunny · November 15th, 2007, 06:38 AM

Wonder if the police would just purchase "out of state" firearms then, transfer them into their state through FFLs if there are any left, or would there be a "state FFL"to do the transfers?
A lot of "what ifs".

SammyIamToday · November 15th, 2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Janq

This is exactly what has happened and is on going in MA.
We citizens, in MA, have very little choice thanks to a combination of the state govt. with it's crap 'consumer protection' laws as applied to firearms _and_ by mfrs. giving up on we buyers.
In CA for mfrs. to give up on that state Barrett style would mean those citizens in that state are to be left in the lurch with nothing but sticks, stones, and used market guns.

Why not just move then? If you can't get the politics changed, get out of dodge. Don't ask manufacturers to not take a principled stance...

LongRider · November 23rd, 2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Janq

This is exactly what has happened and is on going in MA.
We citizens, in MA, have very little choice

While I can sympathize I must ask did you lose the right to vote in MA? Who are you campaigning lobbying for to change the insane laws there? I agree with what STI is doing is a good thing especially because they refuse to sell to LEO. It is also my understanding that they just gave up a major LEO contract with CA to do this. So it is not like they had nothing to lose they did and opted for what is moral. If the citizens are unable to have their guns than neither should LEO. I hope the other major manufactures have the balls to follow suit.

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Originally Posted by SCGuy

I understand your sentiments, but think all firearms makers taking a principled stand and refusing to sell to CA would certainly lead to the law being reversed.

I agree whole heartedly. I also think we as consumers need to begin to apply pressure on the gun manufactures as well.

P7fanatic · November 23rd, 2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LongRider

While I can sympathize I must ask did you lose the right to vote in MA?

I wonder about that sometimes.
It's difficult for me to understand the same two elitest senators being reelected into office for 4 decades when one appears to favor liquid lunches, can't drive and leaves his female friend waiting at the bottom of the river while the other has spoken against our troops for 4 decades and has met with leaders of an enemy in a foreign nation during a time of war while an official of the U.S.
And they're both anti 2nd amendment!

Always been curious about that.

ccw9mm · November 23rd, 2007, 10:40 AM

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Effective immediately, STI International has halted all shipments of firearms to California.

Net effect: If all arms manufacturers do similarly, then the California gun-grabbers will have won by proxy, achieving in a stroke what they could not have achieved legally.

I like the gesture. But, a gesture is all it is.

P7fanatic · November 23rd, 2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SCGuy

The answer is not to go along w/ the anti's wishes by asking "how high?" when told to "Jump!" by the state legislature. The answer is to beat them at their game, and telling them "You won't let us sell guns to citizens unless we comply with your laundry list of requirements, but you want us to sell to your police forces guns not available to everyday Joes? I don't think so. This is a free country, and we are exercising some of that freedom in this fashion: Take your "list" and stick it where the sun don't shine. Go jump in a lake while you're at it. We will no longer sell any products, from holsters to spare parts to weapons, to any law enforcement agency or officer in your state until such time as you get a clue and honor your citizens' right to self-defense by removing all your illogical restrictions on what your "serfs" may buy."

If Colt, Armalite, Savage, FN, Ruger, S&W, Glock, Springfield, H&K, etc. all did this, and CA agencies saw their weapons becoming unserviceable while criminals continued to arm up, the legislators would feel heat like they've never dreamed of.

If these companies, plus a few others, banded together and stopped all sales and shipments to Mexifornia (Citizen and LE sales) I don't think it would really take that long for those elitests to get the idea. Maybe they would realize that even though there were no longer legal arms imports the illegal across border transfer to criminals would not be affected. It's a play that could work.

swiftyjuan · November 23rd, 2007, 01:09 PM

Since I live in California, and cannot move for several years, I would prefer that dealers continue to sell to civilians, but no government sales; especially with the big discounts they give law enforcement. Let them buy individually and retail if they need something.

njeske · November 23rd, 2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

Net effect: If all arms manufacturers do similarly, then the California gun-grabbers will have won by proxy, achieving in a stroke what they could not have achieved legally.

I like the gesture. But, a gesture is all it is.

that's exactly what they're trying to accomplish. granted STI doesn't have any civilian guns approved in CA, but if more manufacturers follow suit, then the gun-grabbers have won. instead, the gun shops should stop giving discounts to law enforcement and government. that way, some of the lobbying groups in CA might actually stand up against future legislation like this.

retsupt99 · November 23rd, 2007, 10:40 PM

I think that they should sell CA to Mexico...they just about own it now.
If you don't think so check out...you tube...Gumball Immigration!

Stay armed...stay safe!

sass20485 · November 24th, 2007, 01:40 PM

Well if the citizens of these states are not happy with the laws their chosen elected officials are making, they need to stand up at the polls and do something about it. I don't blame companies for refusing to do business in these states with these ridiculous laws.

November 15th, 2007, 06:38 AM	#21
Gun Bunny Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: IN Posts: 310	Wonder if the police would just purchase "out of state" firearms then, transfer them into their state through FFLs if there are any left, or would there be a "state FFL"to do the transfers? A lot of "what ifs". __________________ S&W M&P 40c CD- EMS custom Sig 225/P6 "First Duty is To Remember"

November 23rd, 2007, 01:09 PM	#27
swiftyjuan VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 2,013	Since I live in California, and cannot move for several years, I would prefer that dealers continue to sell to civilians, but no government sales; especially with the big discounts they give law enforcement. Let them buy individually and retail if they need something. __________________ John Assault is a behavior, not a device. "Don't never take no shortcuts." Patty Reed, Donner Party Lifetime NRA member

November 23rd, 2007, 10:40 PM	#29
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 14,621	I think that they should sell CA to Mexico...they just about own it now. If you don't think so check out...you tube...Gumball Immigration! Stay armed...stay safe! __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

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November 24th, 2007, 01:40 PM	#30
sass20485 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central FL Posts: 1,587	Well if the citizens of these states are not happy with the laws their chosen elected officials are making, they need to stand up at the polls and do something about it. I don't blame companies for refusing to do business in these states with these ridiculous laws.