Pro2A

This is in response to the silencer post. Theoretically speaking I could get any class 3 weapon/item given I fill out the paper work, and pay the $200? I saw the M4A1 in a catalog. It has a semi-auto/3 shot burst option. The guy at the gun store said it's a class 3 item. If I really wanted to get it could I? I'm not to familiar with class 3 items, or what is 100% prohibited. Maybe someone can clear it up better. If I can legally get a M4A1, you better believe I'll be saving up for that instead of the AR-15

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nutz4utwo

I believe yes, it is possible to own them. You have to send the "tax money" to the ATF, fill out some paperwork, and get an approval signature from your local sheriff.

You will need a completed and signed “Form 4” (5320.4), a “922 Compliance” form ( F 5330.20), 2 sets of fingerprints, 2 passport photos and payment of the appropriate “Transfer Fee” $200.

ask your class 3 dealer if there is anything specific to know in your area...

Rock and Glock

I am not familiar with the rules, but are you not then a slave to a lot of special ATF rules? Someone here with a Class 3 will know......

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rocky

I believe there is only certain weapons you can own. Most seem to be per 70's manufacture. I am almost positive you cannot own a M4. same with modern guns like HK MP5's , ect.

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P95Carry

Where's our member Class3NH when we need him?

I am trying to remember the year date - 1986 was it - NFA?? Only FA guns to be legally aquired (with all the ATF and tax stamp hassle) have to be older than that date. Nothing in current manufacture is available other than to LE etc.

Prices are astronomic - even a Mac 10 can make $5k I believe.

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nutz4utwo

found a FAQ that looks informative:

National Firearms Act of 1934 NFA FAQ
New production of full-auto weapons have been prohibited for civilians manufacture and/or sale since 1986 when it was signed into law by then President Ronald Reagan.

Can you sell a machine gun or full-auto rifle or pistol to me as a civilian? Yes, however machineguns and full auto weapons have been banned from civilian production since 1986. The only machineguns and full-auto weapons that may be purchase by civilians were those made and entered into the NFA registry 1986 and prior. As a result of high demand and low supply prices range from $3400.00 to $20,000.00 and up. I suggest pulling the trigger faster instead, it's a lot cheaper.

Can a civilian buy a suppressor or short barrel rifle? Unless prohibited by your local city or state law, a civilian through proper paperwork, fee's and taxes can legally own a suppressor or short barrel rifle.

Shizzlemah

You can make something that is identical to an M4, but it wouldnt say M4 on the frame.

The last of the civilain owned machine guns were made in 1986. You, as an individual, can own any MG from 1986 or before. So you could have an M16 with a 14" barrel with the later contour, A2 upper, etc. Only the frame is really regulated with the MG status.

Oh, if you DO get a machine gun version of a rifle, you can put a short barrel on it, no extra paperwork or cost. Since it is a machine gun, not a rifle, it isn't subject to the 'short barrel rifle' conditions.

There are some drawbacks, like paperwork everytime you TRANSPORT the rifle. One fellow at ATF said every trip requires a transport permit approved, another ATF said only when transported out of state. Not sure what the official rule is.

HotGuns

You only need a transport permit when going out of state. If you stay in the stae that it is registered in, you dont need one when transporting.

Same way with a suppressor. It is done to insure that you dont illegally or inadvertantly move a restricted item though a state that dosent allow it.

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HotGuns

Its a lot cheaper to build one if you have the means. You can do that with a Form 1.

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Rob99VMI04

Machine guns.....

Its simple supply and demand. In 1986 an act was passed which made regualar civilians to by any newly manufactured Machine guns. Therefore you can own an UZI made December 31, 1985 but you can't own an UZI manufactured on January 1, 1986. Maybe I don't have the exact dates but thats basically it. The point is any new Machine gun design that come out you will NEVER be able to own.

However, if the gun was manufactured before 1986 AND was registered. You may purchase it. Of course 1986 was over 20 years ago therefore people buying machine guns buy them for differn't reasons, including as a form of investments. Look at it this way a Vector UZI which cost about $400 dollars in 1985 now cost over $6500 and the prices only go up from there. MP5's now $17,500. This is effect is a simple supply and demand curve. The government chopped the supply completly driving the prices up.

Now you can own parts of a machine gun like the sears etc...of a M16/4 but I wouldn't own a AR 15......

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