Gun store wont let an LEO buy a gun!! - Page 2

bluelineman · January 31st, 2008, 09:59 PM

Slightly off topic here but...why should anyone need a permit to buy a handgun from the local PD?

cphilip · January 31st, 2008, 10:04 PM

Why would an LEO be going down to a gun store to buy a duty weapon... never heard of it... but I not dead yet I guess...

Final Option · January 31st, 2008, 10:11 PM

The majority of departments in the US do not issue weapons to their officers. They are on their own to purchase those weapons (sometimes from an approved dept. list, sometimes not). Prior to my department going to an issue weapon we could carry wht we wanted as long as it met certain caliber restictions and was approved by the firearms training coordinator. So it very well may have been his duty gun and according to what I read in the MI law he should have been allowed to purchase it. A dept letterhead is only required to purchase directly from Glock or one of their LE only distributors.

DizTbone · January 31st, 2008, 10:16 PM

One LEO here always gets a "hold" on his form check everytime he buys a wep... He just happens to have a name similar to someone on the "no-no" list.

Others lost their right to personally own firearms when "misdemeanor domestic violence" became a no-go question.

I also knew of a veteran LEO who temporarily lost his right to personally own weapons when his ex-wife filed for and got a TRO against him. It was bogus...but it took him off of the security detail for the Gov. of Mass. 'cuz he couldn't possess a firearm out of uniform. He had to drive to the barracks in civvies, change into his uniform and check out his weapons...every day. (That story related by an attorney friend in Mass.)

At least in Arkansas and Massachusetts LEO credentials are not sufficient evidence to bypass the background check. In Arkansas the CHL is... In Oklahoma it is not...(if it is...the law has recently changed)....

As for MI law...the LEO in question should know what he needs or doesn't need...one would think.

YMMV for state requirements... The BATF requirements are the same.

Be safe,

Michael

SIXTO · January 31st, 2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Final Option

The majority of departments in the US do not issue weapons to their officers. They are on their own to purchase those weapons (sometimes from an approved dept. list, sometimes not). Prior to my department going to an issue weapon we could carry wht we wanted as long as it met certain caliber restictions and was approved by the firearms training coordinator. So it very well may have been his duty gun and according to what I read in the MI law he should have been allowed to purchase it. A dept letterhead is only required to purchase directly from Glock or one of their LE only distributors.

This is true and he might be using it for work but it would be considered a personally owned gun with no departmental oversight or regulation... that is why I mentioned the letter head and P.O. The Glock thing is not a legal matter, its a matter of a discount.

cphilip · January 31st, 2008, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Final Option

The majority of departments in the US do not issue weapons to their officers. They are on their own to purchase those weapons (sometimes from an approved dept. list, sometimes not). Prior to my department going to an issue weapon we could carry wht we wanted as long as it met certain caliber restictions and was approved by the firearms training coordinator. So it very well may have been his duty gun and according to what I read in the MI law he should have been allowed to purchase it. A dept letterhead is only required to purchase directly from Glock or one of their LE only distributors.

Never heard that. Almost all the ones around here issue one. Straight out of the safe. Maybe its cause the pay is so crummy. Now... the off duty gun is another matter all together.

SIXTO · January 31st, 2008, 11:04 PM

Its fairly common for officers to purchase their own duty guns, with their own money or with an allowance provided by the department.

Final Option · February 1st, 2008, 01:51 AM

Something that most people are unaware of is that something like 80% of the departments in the US have less than 20 officers. A 200 man department is considered large...tho not by NYPD, LAPD etc. standards. Thier size leaves them with little budget money to purchase guns.

mulle46 · February 1st, 2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Final Option

Something that most people are unaware of is that something like 80% of the departments in the US have less than 20 officers. A 200 man department is considered large...tho not by NYPD, LAPD etc. standards. Thier size leaves them with little budget money to purchase guns.

Even some larger depts. will have their officers buy their own duty weapons. When I went to the police academy, one of NJ's largest cities did require that its officers buy their own duty weapons off an approved list. This city would definitely be well over 20 officers, more likely close to 300 at a minimum. NYPD has over 40K officers, last stat I heard.

TX-JB · February 1st, 2008, 03:32 AM

Every department I know of, here in Texas, the officers purchase their own weapons... duty... off-duty... shotguns... AR's... ammo.... that includes Houston

January 31st, 2008, 09:59 PM	#11
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January 31st, 2008, 10:04 PM	#12
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January 31st, 2008, 10:16 PM	#14
DizTbone Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Central Arkansas Posts: 239	One LEO here always gets a "hold" on his form check everytime he buys a wep... He just happens to have a name similar to someone on the "no-no" list. Others lost their right to personally own firearms when "misdemeanor domestic violence" became a no-go question. I also knew of a veteran LEO who temporarily lost his right to personally own weapons when his ex-wife filed for and got a TRO against him. It was bogus...but it took him off of the security detail for the Gov. of Mass. 'cuz he couldn't possess a firearm out of uniform. He had to drive to the barracks in civvies, change into his uniform and check out his weapons...every day. (That story related by an attorney friend in Mass.) At least in Arkansas and Massachusetts LEO credentials are not sufficient evidence to bypass the background check. In Arkansas the CHL is... In Oklahoma it is not...(if it is...the law has recently changed).... As for MI law...the LEO in question should know what he needs or doesn't need...one would think. YMMV for state requirements... The BATF requirements are the same. Be safe, Michael __________________ XD9 Service, CZ-75B, Glock 21, Kel-Tec P3AT Rifles...yes...and shotguns....and "Unofficial Legislative Attache...er...Watchdog...er...Agitator." "Yes, I vote...but not for the candidate I prefer: None of the Above."

January 31st, 2008, 11:04 PM	#17
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 9,983	Its fairly common for officers to purchase their own duty guns, with their own money or with an allowance provided by the department. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. Wake Up! The zombie invasion has begun years ago.

February 1st, 2008, 03:32 AM	#20
TX-JB Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 396	Every department I know of, here in Texas, the officers purchase their own weapons... duty... off-duty... shotguns... AR's... ammo.... that includes Houston __________________ *"We're in Texas....Things are different here."*

January 31st, 2008, 10:11 PM	#13
Final Option Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boondocks North Texas Posts: 43	The majority of departments in the US do not issue weapons to their officers. They are on their own to purchase those weapons (sometimes from an approved dept. list, sometimes not). Prior to my department going to an issue weapon we could carry wht we wanted as long as it met certain caliber restictions and was approved by the firearms training coordinator. So it very well may have been his duty gun and according to what I read in the MI law he should have been allowed to purchase it. A dept letterhead is only required to purchase directly from Glock or one of their LE only distributors.

February 1st, 2008, 01:51 AM	#18
Final Option Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boondocks North Texas Posts: 43	Something that most people are unaware of is that something like 80% of the departments in the US have less than 20 officers. A 200 man department is considered large...tho not by NYPD, LAPD etc. standards. Thier size leaves them with little budget money to purchase guns.

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