Gun store wont let an LEO buy a gun!!

friesepferd · January 31st, 2008, 04:24 PM

So i was at our little local gun store (which i am already not a fan of, but its all we got) and there was an off duty cop there to pick up a glock he had ordered from them. I didnt overhear much of the convo, but pretty much what happened is that they wouldnt sell it to him.
now in michigan in order to purchase a pistol you need either a purchase permit from the local police station, or a CPL.
Im not sure exactly what the laws are as far as cops buying guns, but he had his LEO ID. So technically he doesnt have his CPL.. cuz he doesnt need one.. he is an LEO!
anyone see why im confused here?

He actually walked out of the store without his glock.. and he was NOT happy about it! i talked with him quickly outside. he said that he was never going back to that store and that he has bought guns with his LEO license all the time, and this was even a duty gun and mumble grumble grumble.
can anyone provide any insight to whether or not the people at the store are just stupid or if there is anything behind this?

havegunjoe · January 31st, 2008, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by friesepferd

So i was at our little local gun store (which i am already not a fan of, but its all we got) and there was an off duty cop there to pick up a glock he had ordered from them. I didnt overhear much of the convo, but pretty much what happened is that they wouldnt sell it to him.
now in michigan in order to purchase a pistol you need either a purchase permit from the local police station, or a CPL.
Im not sure exactly what the laws are as far as cops buying guns, but he had his LEO ID. So technically he doesnt have his CPL.. cuz he doesnt need one.. he is an LEO!
anyone see why im confused here?

He actually walked out of the store without his glock.. and he was NOT happy about it! i talked with him quickly outside. he said that he was never going back to that store and that he has bought guns with his LEO license all the time, and this was even a duty gun and mumble grumble grumble.
can anyone provide any insight to whether or not the people at the store are just stupid or if there is anything behind this?

a purchase permit or a CPL and there is no exclusion for LE then that is what he needs in spite of what other gun stores may have allowed. I for one am not in favor of special rules for off duty LE but if the law is written that way so be it.

friesepferd · January 31st, 2008, 04:41 PM

yea thats what im confused about. i guess maybe the law really does require a 'normal' cpl. but im not even sure if they issue those to cops.
im thinking there is something in the law im missing here. maybe not. we do have dumb laws

walvord · January 31st, 2008, 04:45 PM

Dumb laws beget dumb things happening. If it was to be a duty gun, seems like his department would have issued it to him - but I don't know how those things work.

ron8903 · January 31st, 2008, 04:48 PM

One of the reasons I got my CWP, no 5 day waiting period.

havegunjoe · January 31st, 2008, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by friesepferd

yea thats what im confused about. i guess maybe the law really does require a 'normal' cpl. but im not even sure if they issue those to cops.
im thinking there is something in the law im missing here. maybe not. we do have dumb laws

will issue a CPL to a LEO just because they are LE. The law either states that they can carry off duty and their individual department allows this or they have to go through the same process as you and I. Nothing is stopping them from taking the class, passing the shooting test, and paying the fee. Our past police chief of Minneapolis for months after he was hired could not carry because there is some state test he had to pass. I don't know the details but he kept putting off taking the test. So for awhile I could carry and he couldn't which I thought was pretty funny.

Supertac45 · January 31st, 2008, 08:20 PM

Good question; but, I've seen Federal Officers buy guns out of their State of Residence on thei ID. If the Officer is local, I believe that he can buy within Michigan using his Departmental ID.

SIXTO · January 31st, 2008, 08:27 PM

OK, here is the some of the scoop, but I cant comment on MI specifically... if it is to be a duty gun, it must be purchased on a letter head and a purchase order. Carrying or having possession of a department issue is the responsibility of that PD to make sure their officers are on the up and up, and the where abouts of all the PD owned weapons. If it were not this way, I could show my creds and purchase all kinds of cool stuff without the knowledge of the people who carry the bond on my actions... I dont think they would be happy about that.
If it is going to be a personally owned gun, no matter what the intended purpose is, he is suppose to follow the same rules as everyone else.

cphilip · January 31st, 2008, 09:43 PM

Yep....

ripley16 · January 31st, 2008, 09:48 PM

From the MI statutes;

Quote:

28.432a Persons to whom requirements inapplicable.
Sec. 12a. The requirements of this act for obtaining a license to carry a concealed pistol do not apply to any of the following:
(a) A peace officer of a duly authorized police agency of the United States or of this state or a political subdivision of this
state, who is regularly employed and paid by the United States or this state or a subdivision of this state, except a township
constable.
(b) A constable who is trained and certified under the commission on law enforcement standards act, 1965 PA 203, MCL
28.601 to 28.616, while engaged in his or her official duties or going to or coming from his or her official duties, and who is
regularly employed and paid by a political subdivision of this state.
(c) A person regularly employed by the department of corrections and authorized in writing by the director of the department
of corrections to carry a concealed pistol during the performance of his or her duties or while going to or returning from his or
her duties.

here's the link;
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...s/firearms.pdf

January 31st, 2008, 04:24 PM	#1
friesepferd Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: what used to be the state of Franklin (look it up) Posts: 1,719	Gun store wont let an LEO buy a gun!! So i was at our little local gun store (which i am already not a fan of, but its all we got) and there was an off duty cop there to pick up a glock he had ordered from them. I didnt overhear much of the convo, but pretty much what happened is that they wouldnt sell it to him. now in michigan in order to purchase a pistol you need either a purchase permit from the local police station, or a CPL. Im not sure exactly what the laws are as far as cops buying guns, but he had his LEO ID. So technically he doesnt have his CPL.. cuz he doesnt need one.. he is an LEO! anyone see why im confused here? He actually walked out of the store without his glock.. and he was NOT happy about it! i talked with him quickly outside. he said that he was never going back to that store and that he has bought guns with his LEO license all the time, and this was even a duty gun and mumble grumble grumble. can anyone provide any insight to whether or not the people at the store are just stupid or if there is anything behind this? __________________ Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

January 31st, 2008, 04:41 PM	#3
friesepferd Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: what used to be the state of Franklin (look it up) Posts: 1,719	yea thats what im confused about. i guess maybe the law really does require a 'normal' cpl. but im not even sure if they issue those to cops. im thinking there is something in the law im missing here. maybe not. we do have dumb laws __________________ Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

January 31st, 2008, 04:45 PM	#4
walvord Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Charles County Missouri Posts: 723	Dumb laws beget dumb things happening. If it was to be a duty gun, seems like his department would have issued it to him - but I don't know how those things work. __________________ "That government is best which governs least." — HENRY DAVID THOREAU Life Member - NRA Member - GOA U.S. Army 1975-80

January 31st, 2008, 04:48 PM	#5
ron8903 Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,813	One of the reasons I got my CWP, no 5 day waiting period. __________________ "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

January 31st, 2008, 08:20 PM	#7
Supertac45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan's U.P. Posts: 2,952	Good question; but, I've seen Federal Officers buy guns out of their State of Residence on thei ID. If the Officer is local, I believe that he can buy within Michigan using his Departmental ID. __________________ Les Baer 45 Sig Man N.R.A. Patron Life Member M.C.R.G.O.

January 31st, 2008, 08:27 PM	#8
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 9,983	OK, here is the some of the scoop, but I cant comment on MI specifically... if it is to be a duty gun, it must be purchased on a letter head and a purchase order. Carrying or having possession of a department issue is the responsibility of that PD to make sure their officers are on the up and up, and the where abouts of all the PD owned weapons. If it were not this way, I could show my creds and purchase all kinds of cool stuff without the knowledge of the people who carry the bond on my actions... I dont think they would be happy about that. If it is going to be a personally owned gun, no matter what the intended purpose is, he is suppose to follow the same rules as everyone else. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. Wake Up! The zombie invasion has begun years ago.

January 31st, 2008, 09:43 PM	#9
cphilip Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,368	Yep.... __________________ www.cphilip.com

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