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takurpic · March 6th, 2008, 10:32 AM

It could have a double stack box of ammo in which the top and bottom layers of cartridges are seperated by a thin section of styrofoam. In this type of box, the shells are stacked directly over each other, with the tip of one cartridge pointed directly at the cartridge beneath.

Did they check for rifling on the slug?

How about a firing pin mark on the primer?

cvhoss · March 6th, 2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by takurpic

It could have a double stack box of ammo in which the top and bottom layers of cartridges are seperated by a thin section of styrofoam. In this type of box, the shells are stacked directly over each other, with the tip of one cartridge pointed directly at the cartridge beneath. Easier to accept as a possibility if they were pointed rifle rounds. Exactly why you don't use pointed bullets in a rifle with a tubular magazine.

Did they check for rifling on the slug? I'm guessing that this answers the question:

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It was undamaged and appeared not to have struck anything hard before settling behind the window seating.

How about a firing pin mark on the primer?

Unless you are doubting the investigator's honesty, this seems like nothing more than and extremely freaky accident.

Hoss

deadeye72 · March 6th, 2008, 11:32 AM

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Unless you are doubting the investigator's honesty, this seems like nothing more than and extremely freaky accident.

+1 I kinda think most LEO could identify a round that had been fired from a gun fairly easily.

David in FL · March 6th, 2008, 11:35 AM

Wow. I have to admit, I have never heard of a round of center-fire ammuntion discharging from being dropped. Sounds like that's what happened here though.

4my son · March 6th, 2008, 03:10 PM

Shorts, Need some clean shorts over here.

He really should go buy a lottery ticket.

aus71383 · March 6th, 2008, 06:41 PM

I'd also like to know what kind of ammo that way. That bullet must have been seated awful loose to be able to come out - normally when a round cooks off the primer ends up being the only projectile. I suppose if the primer was against the ground it could help prevent it from coming out, allowing enough pressure to build up that the bullet would pop out. Interesting....

Austin

Blackhawk6 · March 6th, 2008, 07:29 PM

I have heard of rounds firing after falling/being dropped and I was present when a 9mm round detonated after being ejected onto some gravel.

Now, going off while in the box, that is a new one.

dukalmighty · March 6th, 2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aus71383

I'd also like to know what kind of ammo that way. That bullet must have been seated awful loose to be able to come out - normally when a round cooks off the primer ends up being the only projectile. I suppose if the primer was against the ground it could help prevent it from coming out, allowing enough pressure to build up that the bullet would pop out. Interesting....

Austin

Are you kidding me, you better watch mythbusters where they heat up ammo in an oven til it cooks off the bullets leave the case but without enough force to penetrate the oven door,that little primer pocket hole is not going to vent enough pressure to keep a bullet from being expelled from a case

mtnfreak · March 7th, 2008, 01:07 AM

In an uncontrolled detonation the biggest danger is from the brass, not the lead. Having a backstop to the brass is what makes the lead deadly when fired from a gun. Without a backstop, the lighter brass casing takes off at a very high velocity. Imagine hitting two golf balls with the same force - one is lead (probably won't go far), the other is brass (likely to take off and have enough mass to overcome disturbances in the air - unlike a Whiffle ball).
In the Mythbusters experiment the most damage was caused by the brass casings - verified by the super slow-mo camera and the shape of the marks (almost holes) left in the steel walls of the oven.

mcp1810 · March 7th, 2008, 10:32 AM

In the past I have purchased some WWB and found a high primer or two but never really thought much of it. This kind of puts things in a new perspective!

March 6th, 2008, 03:10 PM	#15
4my son Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out side of Richmond, VA Posts: 1,453	Shorts, Need some clean shorts over here. He really should go buy a lottery ticket. __________________ "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)] If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand

March 6th, 2008, 07:29 PM	#17
Blackhawk6 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southeast Posts: 370	Not common but not unheard of either. I have heard of rounds firing after falling/being dropped and I was present when a 9mm round detonated after being ejected onto some gravel. Now, going off while in the box, that is a new one.

March 7th, 2008, 01:07 AM	#19
mtnfreak Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: In a place you've only dreamed of where your soul is always free... Posts: 133	In an uncontrolled detonation the biggest danger is from the brass, not the lead. Having a backstop to the brass is what makes the lead deadly when fired from a gun. Without a backstop, the lighter brass casing takes off at a very high velocity. Imagine hitting two golf balls with the same force - one is lead (probably won't go far), the other is brass (likely to take off and have enough mass to overcome disturbances in the air - unlike a Whiffle ball). In the Mythbusters experiment the most damage was caused by the brass casings - verified by the super slow-mo camera and the shape of the marks (almost holes) left in the steel walls of the oven. __________________ Law without force is impotent. Blaise Pascal

March 7th, 2008, 10:32 AM	#20
mcp1810 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,106	In the past I have purchased some WWB and found a high primer or two but never really thought much of it. This kind of puts things in a new perspective! __________________ "And what would you do with your brain if you had one?" - Dorothy

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March 6th, 2008, 10:32 AM	#11
takurpic Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 206	It could have a double stack box of ammo in which the top and bottom layers of cartridges are seperated by a thin section of styrofoam. In this type of box, the shells are stacked directly over each other, with the tip of one cartridge pointed directly at the cartridge beneath. Did they check for rifling on the slug? How about a firing pin mark on the primer?

March 6th, 2008, 11:35 AM	#14
David in FL Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,700	Wow. I have to admit, I have never heard of a round of center-fire ammuntion discharging from being dropped. Sounds like that's what happened here though.

March 6th, 2008, 06:41 PM	#16
aus71383 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1,691	I'd also like to know what kind of ammo that way. That bullet must have been seated awful loose to be able to come out - normally when a round cooks off the primer ends up being the only projectile. I suppose if the primer was against the ground it could help prevent it from coming out, allowing enough pressure to build up that the bullet would pop out. Interesting.... Austin