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Old October 1st, 2005, 09:23 AM   #11
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With the old eyes deal OG - and so you can still use open sights - try and fit a ghost ring - that is about the only open sight method that works for me any more.

I have actually right now got red dots on the levers - they work good but look horrible, on guns with such good looks.
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Old October 3rd, 2005, 02:44 AM   #12
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I just couldn't afford if I wanted to better prepare for any breakdown of law and order in the future.
when you speak of this happening, most people roll their eyes and immediately dismiss you as some sort of kook. i just cannot understand how people can watch video of the LA riots, of reginald denny being dragged from his truck and beaten...of the looting, robbing, etc. going on in new orleans, etc. and really believe it cant happen to them.....or even worse, that the police will protect them. if nothing else, the LA riots/new orleans proved the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect you during times of widespread crisis. if they didnt teach you the importance of self reliance, nothing will.


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I also updated my pistol selections.
have you also stocked up on ammunition? i would recommend at least a few hundred rounds in every caliber you own. without exception, every single time an emergency happens we see people run to the gun stores in search of weapons and ammo. i say stock up now while its not hard to get ahold of.


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I also have coming a two week supply of MRE's
MRE's are the ultimate in food reserves! keep in mind that the shelf life of MREs is based upon keeping them below 80 degrees. the colder you keep them, the longer they will keep beyond their inspection date. although i rotate my stock, i keep my MRE's (enough to feed each member of my family for 90 days) in the basement during the summer and in an unheated garage in the winter.


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I hope I never use any of the supplies, but I personally think the odds are in favor of having to do so sometime in the future.
exactly. be it a natural or man-made disaster, history has shown us that complacency can be fatal.
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Old October 3rd, 2005, 02:46 AM   #13
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Batteries, spare flashlight bulbs. small cook stove for canned goods. Sleeping bags. Life jackets
dont forget pet food. you gotta keep your pets fat because ultimately you might just have to eat them.
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Old October 3rd, 2005, 02:57 AM   #14
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There is preparedness and survivalism - I think for most part the former is our priority, without necessarily having to go to extremes.
i would respectfully disagree. yes, you have nuts who see government conspiracy and black choppers, but they have little to do with realistic survival preparations. "extremes" would certainly be relative. to the new orleans refugees sitting in the back of government trucks waiting to be fed, a stockpile of MREs with other basic preparations would have made one hell of a difference.


to quote myself (from another forum):
"Sadly, I recognize that it’s not only our world that is changing.....its our country, our state, our communities, and even our next door neighbors. No amount of denial can change that we live in a time of hatred. Bottom line, as you read this; radical Muslim children are being taught to kill your children. As you read this, state sanctioned and funded radical Muslims have declared jihad on your children and they are plotting to blow up your child’s school, your workplace, and to bring about the ultimate destruction of the American way of life.

The threat doesn’t stop there. The aftermath of hurricane Katrina as well as the L.A. riots showed us that even law abiding, god fearing citizens can find themselves totally helpless amidst anarchy, at the complete mercy of the thug element. It also demonstrated the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to protect the citizenry during overwhelming crisis that history has repeated again and again.

While I don’t see black choppers over my house, I do see that society is very different than it was when I was a boy, and I am determined to do everything reasonably possible to prepare myself to protect and defend my family from any source of harm. In the unlikely event that crisis should knock on my door, I refuse to depend upon my government to protect and feed my family. With proper preparation and training I can insure that my family will never become refugees, sitting on the back of a government truck waiting to be fed and sheltered. I refuse to be a victim under thug rule. I refuse to hand over the responsibility of caring for my family to a government that is incapable of caring for itself. No matter how far you shove your head into the sand there is a single given that will never change……yes, it can happen to you and your quality of life during/afterwards will be dictated by your level of preparation."

and i hear it from my wife who thinks i take it a little to far....she doesnt think most of my cache is necessary.....shes even said ive "lost it"....but should we get hit with a really nasty blizzard ill bet she wouldnt complain at all as our lives continue close to normal while our "neighbors" scrounge for whatever they can find.
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Old October 4th, 2005, 02:13 AM   #15
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Thanks for the input and suggestions. I keep a minimum of 500 rounds of ammo per caliber at all times. I don't have pets to worry about, and I have an air conditioned closet all set for the MRE's. I am aware that shelf life diminishes if stored in heat.
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Old October 4th, 2005, 07:47 AM   #16
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Sounds like your pretty well set hopefully you wont have to use the stuff but better to have than have not..


I know everyone talks about a Generator but only bad things i see with that is SOUND doesnt matter who made it there loud even if you have the quietest one made in a city with no power its one of the loudest things and would i think call people right to you

Espically bad guys ..
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Old October 4th, 2005, 10:12 AM   #17
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Sounds like you are off to a great start. The key is remembering that nobody will take care of you but you (bad grammer, but you know what I mean). I have definitely made some changes since Katrina along the same lines.

I have always camped and backpacked. I have a pretty good selection of tents, sleeping bags, backpacks, cook stoves, etc on hand. When it comes to lights, the glowsticks are a great idea. Also, make sure some of your lights are LED. The batteries and bulbs will last you a whole lot longer. Also make sure some of your lights are the "lantern" type. It is a lot easier to accomplish general work tasks with a broad light that casts all around you instead of a directed beam.

Bigsky definitely made an excellent point about pet food. Although we had made some preparations prior to the storms, pet food was not one we had thought of. We now keep a sizeable stock.

Does anybody have any particularly good ideas on keeping fuel? That, to me, seems to be the biggest headache. You can only keep so much gas on hand for any length of time. My wife's dad is a farmer and he runs just about everything on diesel. He keeps a large tank of it at all times on the farm, but he can also run his truck on it.

When it comes to firearms and ammo, I try to think "multipurpose". What will I get the most use out of in the most ways. Also, ammo availability. While you certainly want to stockpile as much as you can (within reason, I suppose), the time will come when you eventually have to buy more. I have told myself for years that I need to start reloading my own, but I never actually get around to actually doing it.

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Gonzo - reloading is worth doing even if, as I have tended to do in latter times - you buy factory stuff.

Thing is - once set up even if basic you can have enough consumables on hand to represent a good extra quantity. I try and keep 2,000 each of most primer sizes, plenty of powder and I have bullet casting gear too so can even if power off, make those. I have boatloads of cases too.

Worth thinking about!
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Then I fired 200 rounds through the CZ. It is very accurate and fits my hand well. However, it doesn't like HP's. I've been reading about the need to polish the ramp, and I may do so. However, it was flawless with jacketed ammo. So, I've ordered some Corbon Pow'Rball, some Winchester Silvertips, and some Federal expanding FMJ. The Winchester and Corbon produce 500 ft.lbs, and 526 ft.lbs, respectively. If they work as well as I think they will, I'll probably settle for them and shoot cheap FMJ for practice. Anyone with a CZ , (DirksterG30), please comment.
Older Gunner, I have not had any similar problems with my CZ's. Have you tried Golden Sabers? They work flawlessly in my CZ's.

You may want to check out these 2 forums; the 2nd forum has a section devoted the the 40-P:
http://www.czshooters.com/modules.php?name=Forums
http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792

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Old October 4th, 2005, 10:50 AM   #20
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Congrats OG on your M94 in 357. You'll love it. I have the 94 in 30-30, 35 Rem, 45LC, and 357mag. Word of advice for the 357 (and 45LC), the M94 is extremely length-sensitive in the pistol calibers. I would advise buying only factory loads, or if handloading, seat the bullets to provide maximum length. Enjoy !
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