Where are you keeping a gun? - Page 2

cdwolf · May 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM

That's not only stupid but also a good way to get shot!
I always tell for both of our safety!

LenS · May 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM

Having been a Reserve PO for 17 years myself, I find this almost incredulous:

- Any PO knows better than "surprise" a brother/sister officer like that!

- Given the circumstances, he should have advised the officer of the gun, where it was, told him that he was a Reserve PO (past tense) and requested further instructions.

My thoughts on this person:

- He was probably issued the Reserve PO ID as a "gift" for a donation to the PD/sheriff/etc. and never REALLY a PO (POST certified). Sheriffs where I am do this all the time, giving out a badge, ID, ID case, pretty citation for contributions to the Sheriffs campaign fund. These people have NO LEO powers at all, attend No academy, have no powers of arrest and no training. They use the ID/badge to try to get out of traffic tickets but that is it.

- The guy is a total moron. His behavior is a disgrace to all POs, Reserve or FT, all CCW holders, and all ADULTS anywhere (he certainly isn't an adult by his behavior after the stop).

Some comments:

- Maybe this is why it is illegal to store a gun (loaded or not) in a glove box in my state. No PO on a stop wants to see a gun in that glove box during a stop, no matter what state they are in.

- If a state does not require declaration AND the gun is properly CONCEALED, there is no need to notify and escalate a situation. Where I live, many LEOs will treat a notification as a Felony Stop and you will be eating asphalt rather rudely and probably rip up your clothing in the process. CCW by law abiding citizens is so rare here that they would treat anyone known to have a gun as a felon and act accordingly. So know the laws and customs where you travel . . . what works well in places were guns and hunting are a way of life won't work well in urbanized areas of the Northeast!

HITCH KING · May 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM

We from DC should get the officers email and send a card expressing that the rest of the normal CCW world does not agree with the actions of that idiot.

ccw9mm · May 8th, 2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reborn

calling the LEO names while the officer had his gun pulled....

Idiot, moron and he makes the rest of the those who chose to carry legally look bad.

For those who would like to see just such a situation (talk-back while guns are drawn), review the video of Daniel Sayers, an Ohio CHL who had someone at a prior stop call in "man with a gun," at which point this video starts ... click here. He had a CHL, ostensibly told the officers he was legally carrying, but his poorly-timed tirade did nothing to help things, right or wrong. A good example of what NOT to do.

Ram Rod · May 8th, 2008, 10:18 PM

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Where are you keeping a gun?

On top of my engine under the hood, behind the microwave, under the broiler plate in the oven, velcroed to the toilet tank lid two of em's buried in the yard but that was two years ago and I forgot, one's inside the non-working stereo speaker in the living room, and a few more are in here somewhere, but I aint seen 'em in quite a while!

Rev9mm · May 8th, 2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morintp

One other thing, I don't have a CCW permit. I live in Vermont.

I actually had to look that up to figure out what you were saying. So, in Vermont you can concealed carry with no permit being required?

Nifty.

morintp · May 8th, 2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev9mm

I actually had to look that up to figure out what you were saying. So, in Vermont you can concealed carry with no permit being required?

Nifty.

Conceal carry, open carry. No permits at all. The only problem with it is that there is no permit for other states to honor. D'oh!

falcon1 · May 9th, 2008, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morintp

Conceal carry, open carry. No permits at all. The only problem with it is that there is no permit for other states to honor. D'oh!

No permit is required in Alaska either, as I understand it, but the state does issue permits to avoid the problem morintp highlighted for Vermont.

I would always inform an officer also, and ask him or her how they want me to proceed.

ccw9mm · May 9th, 2008, 10:28 AM

Quote:

The driver leaned over to the glove box and opened it, presumably to take out his insurance card. As he did so Adam caught the glimpse of a pistol.

Yet another good reason to keep it on you.

crzy4guns · May 9th, 2008, 11:22 AM

I always try to keep my gun on me and not in the car if I can help it. To me a car gun is always at risk of being stolen even if it is in a safe. Your car gets stolen, there goes your gun too.

May 8th, 2008, 07:18 PM	#11
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May 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM	#12
LenS Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: US Posts: 1,236	Having been a Reserve PO for 17 years myself, I find this almost incredulous: - Any PO knows better than "surprise" a brother/sister officer like that! - Given the circumstances, he should have advised the officer of the gun, where it was, told him that he was a Reserve PO (past tense) and requested further instructions. My thoughts on this person: - He was probably issued the Reserve PO ID as a "gift" for a donation to the PD/sheriff/etc. and never REALLY a PO (POST certified). Sheriffs where I am do this all the time, giving out a badge, ID, ID case, pretty citation for contributions to the Sheriffs campaign fund. These people have NO LEO powers at all, attend No academy, have no powers of arrest and no training. They use the ID/badge to try to get out of traffic tickets but that is it. - The guy is a total moron. His behavior is a disgrace to all POs, Reserve or FT, all CCW holders, and all ADULTS anywhere (he certainly isn't an adult by his behavior after the stop). Some comments: - Maybe this is why it is illegal to store a gun (loaded or not) in a glove box in my state. No PO on a stop wants to see a gun in that glove box during a stop, no matter what state they are in. - If a state does not require declaration AND the gun is properly CONCEALED, there is no need to notify and escalate a situation. Where I live, many LEOs will treat a notification as a Felony Stop and you will be eating asphalt rather rudely and probably rip up your clothing in the process. CCW by law abiding citizens is so rare here that they would treat anyone known to have a gun as a felon and act accordingly. So know the laws and customs where you travel . . . what works well in places were guns and hunting are a way of life won't work well in urbanized areas of the Northeast!

May 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM	#13
HITCH KING Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NY Posts: 384	We from DC should get the officers email and send a card expressing that the rest of the normal CCW world does not agree with the actions of that idiot.