FN FiveseveN Warning *Picture Heavy* - Page 2

cvhoss · May 10th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edr9x23super

Before I held FN responsible, I would check out how you seated your primers. If the weapon did indeed fire out of battery, then a slightly protruding primer that was ignited as the round chambered is the likely culprit......

You need to read the original post again. According to the OP, this was NOT a slam fire:
On the 2nd round I realigned my sights, slowly pulled the trigger, and all hell broke loose.

This occurred at a deliberate trigger pull, not on the slide closing as the remaining 18 rounds are accounted for:

My FN FiveseveN IOM is a complete loss, the magazine is still inside the grip, the remaining 18 rounds were forced out of the bottom of the magazine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotGuns

.........Do not send the gun or its parts back to FN. If it is needed as proof later on, they are under no legal prerogative to keep it. They will simply log it as a destroyed gun and chunk the parts. They know this and will use it to their advantage.

Talk to them in language that they will understand and respond to. Send them a registered letter with the signature of your lawyer on it.

I guarantee you that will wake them up.

HotGuns is absolutely right on this. DO NOT return the gun to FN for destruction. It is your ONLY piece of evidence. If they aren't going to give you a new gun free of charge, you gain NOTHING by sending them the gun.

Hoss

BAC · May 10th, 2008, 02:34 PM

1/4 to 1/8 inches of leeway? Hm...

-B

f3rr37 · May 10th, 2008, 04:51 PM

Thanks everyone. I have had some friend on another forum duplicate this with some unloaded brass, you could clearly see the wall of the brass being unsupported. I will see if I can get some pictures for you all.

Shizzlemah · May 10th, 2008, 05:46 PM

Jake,
Sorry for the damage to your hand - hopefully some of that will come back with time.

It sounds like your reloads were within reasonable limits and assembled carefully.

however, it is fact is that many handguns will fire slightly out of battery. slight enough to look okay to a casual inspection, but out enough to have a catastrophic fail.

grady · May 11th, 2008, 04:33 AM

Wow... thank goodness you weren't injured worse. Not trying to make light of your injuries, but they could have been much worse.

Wow...

nn · May 11th, 2008, 01:11 PM

Bummer, I hope you have full ues of your hand, if not, soon.

kaz · May 11th, 2008, 07:36 PM

Bad way to find out about this but thanks for posting about it. I've considered a FiveseveN several times, but being able to fire out of battery like thats a deal breaker for me. And their way of handling it isn't inspiring either. Thanks again, glad you didn't get hurt as bad as you could have.

AzQkr · May 11th, 2008, 10:01 PM

you could clearly see the wall of the brass being unsupported

Is it an unsupported barrel chamber thats the culprit or is it firing out of battery. They are two different situations.

Many guns including the older glock 40's had chambers not fully supported with catastrophic results similar to yours.

Sorry to hear you were injured, get well soon.

Brownie

f3rr37 · May 11th, 2008, 11:28 PM

It fired out of battery, thus the back of the case was not supported by the chamber. You can see pictures of the exposed case here:

and video of it here:
YouTube - Fiveseven OOB Firing3

Images provided by blankman @ fivesevenforum.net and video shot by Ryan @ EliteAmmunition.

AzQkr · May 11th, 2008, 11:43 PM

Thanks for the clarification. Thats not a good thing, and I have one I put away for down the road but haven't fired.

Brownie

May 11th, 2008, 10:01 PM	#18
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,269	you could clearly see the wall of the brass being unsupported Is it an unsupported barrel chamber thats the culprit or is it firing out of battery. They are two different situations. Many guns including the older glock 40's had chambers not fully supported with catastrophic results similar to yours. Sorry to hear you were injured, get well soon. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

May 11th, 2008, 11:43 PM	#20
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,269	Thanks for the clarification. Thats not a good thing, and I have one I put away for down the road but haven't fired. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

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May 10th, 2008, 02:34 PM	#12
BAC Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,042	1/4 to 1/8 inches of leeway? Hm... -B

May 10th, 2008, 04:51 PM	#13
f3rr37 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 27	Thanks everyone. I have had some friend on another forum duplicate this with some unloaded brass, you could clearly see the wall of the brass being unsupported. I will see if I can get some pictures for you all.

May 10th, 2008, 05:46 PM	#14
Shizzlemah Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 717	Jake, Sorry for the damage to your hand - hopefully some of that will come back with time. It sounds like your reloads were within reasonable limits and assembled carefully. however, it is fact is that many handguns will fire slightly out of battery. slight enough to look okay to a casual inspection, but out enough to have a catastrophic fail.

May 11th, 2008, 04:33 AM	#15
grady Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 849	Wow... thank goodness you weren't injured worse. Not trying to make light of your injuries, but they could have been much worse. Wow...

May 11th, 2008, 01:11 PM	#16
nn VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NC Posts: 4,114	Bummer, I hope you have full ues of your hand, if not, soon.

May 11th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#17
kaz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 65	Bad way to find out about this but thanks for posting about it. I've considered a FiveseveN several times, but being able to fire out of battery like thats a deal breaker for me. And their way of handling it isn't inspiring either. Thanks again, glad you didn't get hurt as bad as you could have.

May 11th, 2008, 11:28 PM	#19
f3rr37 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 27	It fired out of battery, thus the back of the case was not supported by the chamber. You can see pictures of the exposed case here: and video of it here: YouTube - Fiveseven OOB Firing3 Images provided by blankman @ fivesevenforum.net and video shot by Ryan @ EliteAmmunition.