Back in America...and arrested?! - Page 7

dcb188 · May 19th, 2008, 01:21 PM

When you say yes, absolutely, do you mean that it is something you should move on from or something you should pursue in some way?
Again, one of the several reasons I ask is because none of us like LEOS who are the bad apples, that is granted, but of the many responses to your initial post, not many advised you to take that bad apple to the next highest level rather than just chalking it up to a simple traffic stop. If it is precisely as you relate it, it is a real bizarre LEO incident. I myself have never seen one like it. So I wondered how you yourself felt about what you should do now. Was it minor or a major thing to you?

HowardCohodas · May 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM

Hi Duisburg,

My recent post was directed at those posts addressing just the "informing the officer" issue. If you read the earlier post I made in this thread that addressed your situation, I believe you acted correctly but were treated unfairly. You still seem a little ouchy on this subject. I hope this eases up for you.

Stirling XD · May 19th, 2008, 01:34 PM

Did you try to verify that the moving van's spedometer was indicating your correct speed? Many moving trucks have govenors that restrict the speed. I rented one that could not exceed 70 mph. That got annoying since some of the states I drove through had 75 mph speed limits. I don't know how the govenors on those vehicles work or how hard it might be to tamper with them. But I wouldn't put it past some people (previous renters) to a tamper with the speedometer to allow it to go faster. You could use a GPS to check its accuracy.

I would definately follow up with the courts to find out if any charges other than speeding are going on your record. If so, than take steps to fight them. I would definately file a complaint. However, since there is question as to willingness to sign the ticket, much of that may get ignored. However, the officer should have given you his badge number and ID when you requested it. Ask that one of this officers superiors review the tape. But don't expect much to happen.

If you want to take this matter to the next level, it will cost you. The officer might get reprimanded but probably not fired or charged for this alone. But, keep this in mind. You will spend enough money persueing this to buy at least a half a dozen quality guns and you probably won't get much in return. And all the lawyers say, "Ka-Ching".

Good luck.

dcb188 · May 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM

There are ways to approach it that would not cost more than three or four dollars, and I don't think he should consult with a lawyer unless it is for free.
Something overlooked is the idea of being handcuffed for a speeding violation after asking officer for info etc. That is highly unusual in itself. It is bizarre and calls for some inquiry for sure. I would not accept that like it was some minor inconvenience.
I have had thousands of people either lie to me or hold back the entire truth, so while I am not questioning Duisburg's integrity, everything I say here depends completely on whether his initial narrative is absolutely true.
Re consultations, my personal opinion is via phone or in person, consultation without charge, not a problem. Or even resolving it via phone, not a problem, no bill. Got to help out folks when you can and it is not all about money. Far from it.
I think he is all set now and knows what to do to get some results.

Duisburg · May 19th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcb188

When you say yes, absolutely, do you mean that it is something you should move on from or something you should pursue in some way?
Again, one of the several reasons I ask is because none of us like LEOS who are the bad apples, that is granted, but of the many responses to your initial post, not many advised you to take that bad apple to the next highest level rather than just chalking it up to a simple traffic stop. If it is precisely as you relate it, it is a real bizarre LEO incident. I myself have never seen one like it. So I wondered how you yourself felt about what you should do now. Was it minor or a major thing to you?

Yes, Absolutely should I do something. I felt that it was totally bizarre, that unequal measures were taken against me while I was in position to where I couldn't stay and fight like I wanted (and want) to. It is no minor to me, quite the reverse actually, and I am taking every opportunity and all advice that I can, to do something about this.

thanks!

dcb188 · May 19th, 2008, 02:06 PM

So you have some options now as to what to do, and should be all set?

Paco · May 19th, 2008, 02:12 PM

Welcome back home, sorry for the crappy reception. When I was reading your original post I just couldn't stop picturing the first half of "First Blood", and then it went to "Deliverance" Glad neither of these happened to you.

Duisburg · May 19th, 2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paco

Welcome back home, sorry for the crappy reception. When I was reading your original post I just couldn't stop picturing the first half of "First Blood", and then it went to "Deliverance" Glad neither of these happened to you.

ha ha ha

Thats really funny, I didn't even think about First Blood! But if that movie were updated to today John Rambo, I think, would be treated like Tim McVay as "homegrown" civilian "terrorism" even though we trained him. Thanks for the laugh though

Nozoki · May 19th, 2008, 10:37 PM

I wonder if officer Smith has a relative over at Freeman towing that just made an easy 150 bucks.

ridurall · May 20th, 2008, 09:09 PM

Back in 1995 after I retired from the Air Force my father and I took our last fishing trip to Arkansas. That was my last trip there when I discovered they liked to mess with out of staters. I'll never go back and if fact will go out of my way to miss Arkansas. I do knot like crooked troopers. Welcome back to the states. Not a very good reception back to the states. As a retired Air Force MSgt I'm sorry you were treated like that. A few years ago they did a show on 60 Minutes or 20-20 about crooked cops in Arkansas going after out of state people. Sounds like you were their quota for the evening.

May 19th, 2008, 01:21 PM	#61
dcb188 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Cape Cod, Mass. Posts: 862	When you say yes, absolutely, do you mean that it is something you should move on from or something you should pursue in some way? Again, one of the several reasons I ask is because none of us like LEOS who are the bad apples, that is granted, but of the many responses to your initial post, not many advised you to take that bad apple to the next highest level rather than just chalking it up to a simple traffic stop. If it is precisely as you relate it, it is a real bizarre LEO incident. I myself have never seen one like it. So I wondered how you yourself felt about what you should do now. Was it minor or a major thing to you? __________________ Surrounded and outnumbered, Marine Col Lewis Puller: "Good! We finally got 'em where we want 'em!" (Korea, 1950) __________________________________ Right is Wrong and Wrong is Right. __________________________________ Socrates : "Knowledge is knowing that we know nothing".

May 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM	#62
HowardCohodas Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canton, OH Posts: 544	Hi Duisburg, My recent post was directed at those posts addressing just the "informing the officer" issue. If you read the earlier post I made in this thread that addressed your situation, I believe you acted correctly but were treated unfairly. You still seem a little ouchy on this subject. I hope this eases up for you. __________________ Howard *I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop!!* M&P 45fs with Crimson Trace LaserGrip plus a 14-round spare mag in a SmartCarry holster LCP (waiting for release of LG-431) M&P 45c (Hoping Crimson Trace will come through)

May 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM	#64
dcb188 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Cape Cod, Mass. Posts: 862	There are ways to approach it that would not cost more than three or four dollars, and I don't think he should consult with a lawyer unless it is for free. Something overlooked is the idea of being handcuffed for a speeding violation after asking officer for info etc. That is highly unusual in itself. It is bizarre and calls for some inquiry for sure. I would not accept that like it was some minor inconvenience. I have had thousands of people either lie to me or hold back the entire truth, so while I am not questioning Duisburg's integrity, everything I say here depends completely on whether his initial narrative is absolutely true. Re consultations, my personal opinion is via phone or in person, consultation without charge, not a problem. Or even resolving it via phone, not a problem, no bill. Got to help out folks when you can and it is not all about money. Far from it. I think he is all set now and knows what to do to get some results. __________________ Surrounded and outnumbered, Marine Col Lewis Puller: "Good! We finally got 'em where we want 'em!" (Korea, 1950) __________________________________ Right is Wrong and Wrong is Right. __________________________________ Socrates : "Knowledge is knowing that we know nothing". Last edited by dcb188; May 19th, 2008 at 01:48 PM. Reason: The usual, three or four typos

May 19th, 2008, 02:06 PM	#66
dcb188 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Cape Cod, Mass. Posts: 862	So you have some options now as to what to do, and should be all set? __________________ Surrounded and outnumbered, Marine Col Lewis Puller: "Good! We finally got 'em where we want 'em!" (Korea, 1950) __________________________________ Right is Wrong and Wrong is Right. __________________________________ Socrates : "Knowledge is knowing that we know nothing".

May 19th, 2008, 02:12 PM	#67
Paco Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 990	Welcome back home, sorry for the crappy reception. When I was reading your original post I just couldn't stop picturing the first half of "First Blood", and then it went to "Deliverance" Glad neither of these happened to you. __________________ "Don't hit at all if you can help it; don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt If you are not willing to stand behind our Troops, feel free to stand in front of them! -Paco

May 19th, 2008, 01:34 PM	#63
Stirling XD Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 153	Did you try to verify that the moving van's spedometer was indicating your correct speed? Many moving trucks have govenors that restrict the speed. I rented one that could not exceed 70 mph. That got annoying since some of the states I drove through had 75 mph speed limits. I don't know how the govenors on those vehicles work or how hard it might be to tamper with them. But I wouldn't put it past some people (previous renters) to a tamper with the speedometer to allow it to go faster. You could use a GPS to check its accuracy. I would definately follow up with the courts to find out if any charges other than speeding are going on your record. If so, than take steps to fight them. I would definately file a complaint. However, since there is question as to willingness to sign the ticket, much of that may get ignored. However, the officer should have given you his badge number and ID when you requested it. Ask that one of this officers superiors review the tape. But don't expect much to happen. If you want to take this matter to the next level, it will cost you. The officer might get reprimanded but probably not fired or charged for this alone. But, keep this in mind. You will spend enough money persueing this to buy at least a half a dozen quality guns and you probably won't get much in return. And all the lawyers say, "Ka-Ching". Good luck.

May 19th, 2008, 10:37 PM	#69
Nozoki Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 16	I wonder if officer Smith has a relative over at Freeman towing that just made an easy 150 bucks.

May 20th, 2008, 09:09 PM	#70
ridurall Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SW Oklahoma Posts: 699	Back in 1995 after I retired from the Air Force my father and I took our last fishing trip to Arkansas. That was my last trip there when I discovered they liked to mess with out of staters. I'll never go back and if fact will go out of my way to miss Arkansas. I do knot like crooked troopers. Welcome back to the states. Not a very good reception back to the states. As a retired Air Force MSgt I'm sorry you were treated like that. A few years ago they did a show on 60 Minutes or 20-20 about crooked cops in Arkansas going after out of state people. Sounds like you were their quota for the evening. __________________ Life member NRA since 1983 I normally carry a Sig Pro .40 in a Crossbreed IWB but when necessary will switch to: Baby Eagle .40 W/Kramer holster Bersa Thunder380 Kel-Tec P3AT Skyy 9mm

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