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Old May 15th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #51
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Old May 18th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #52
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Keep us posted, Duisburg. I would like to hear what you decide and how it turns out for you. Good luck, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, and it's up to you to decide, and you who lives with the outcome. I hope it works out for you here, I was stationed in Germany, 3 years in Giessen and 3 1/2 years in Pirmasens Kaiserslautern area. Loved it, and want to go back.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 11:09 PM   #53
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Wow! Definitely a bad LEO experience. I live in Mountain Home,AR and after I read this I called a CCW instructor (and retired LEO) and he said that under Arkansas law a speeding ticket does not impact your CCW at all.
Correct.

As long as you take care of it. Forgetting a court date or just deciding that its not a big deal,will result in a warrant for your arrest being issued for FTA or "failure to appear". The way the CHL law is written, ANY warrant(felony or misdemeanor) that is issued can be grounds for revocation of the permit.

Since Duisburg paid for the ticket at the station, it shouldnt be an issue at all.
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If what Duisburg says is true, I wonder how many of us would just forget about it after going through that experience. I could advise him to forget it and move on but that is a pretty bad scenario.
In fact, that is one of the worst scenarios I have ever heard of.
I have some very specific ideas re courses of action if Duisburg wants to PM me.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 11:25 PM   #55
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#1 Call the clerk of the court in which the offense was located. Ask what charges are pending against you, and get which particular statute numbers.

#2 Call around to lawyers in that area and ask their fees to handle those charges.

#3 Hire one of the lawyers, explain the whole case to him/her and let them advise you as to your options.

#4 This is a traffic ticket, not a federal crime. Don't blow off the court date, don't forget to pay the fine, and don't worry about it.

#5 Next time a trooper pulls you over, be polite, shut up, accept the ticket, sign where he asked you to, return his pen and go home.

#6 Do not ask to see the radar gun. Do not ask for badge numbers. Do not ask for his name. All that is now part of the record and will be made available as part of the court file. Asking for it at the side of the road will make you appear obnoxious, thus insuring you will have a BAD DAY.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #56
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Officer "Smith" threatened to take my Concealed Handgun License away too, and after I asked him why he said because I didn't inform him that I had a gun on me to which I told him, like I did when he arrested me, that my guns were secured in the cargo bay of the Uhaul, were all unloaded and stored away.
In Arkansas it is not required to tell an officer if you are carrying. Although it is highly reccommended to do so, there is no legal provision that requires it.
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In Arkansas it is not required to tell an officer if you are carrying. Although it is highly reccommended to do so, there is no legal provision that requires it.
Like many similar threads, this one has several forks, one of which is the ever popular, Are you required to inform an officer if you are carrying.

Unless you get traffic stopped so frequently that subtly and nuance are things you can think about under what for most of us would be an extremely stressful situation, then ignore subtly and nuance.

If you drive in more than one state, you should adopt a procedure that will work regardless of the state's requirement concerning informing an officer about carrying. Should you guess wrong, there are lawyers on this forum that would be glad to help you after you have messed up. I have created and practiced a procedure that will work and have probably posted it in other threads in this forum.

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Like many similar threads, this one has several forks, one of which is the ever popular, Are you required to inform an officer if you are carrying.

Unless you get traffic stopped so frequently that subtly and nuance are things you can think about under what for most of us would be an extremely stressful situation, then ignore subtly and nuance.

If you drive in more than one state, you should adopt a procedure that will work regardless of the state's requirement concerning informing an officer about carrying. Should you guess wrong, there are lawyers on this forum that would be glad to help you after you have messed up. I have created and practiced a procedure that will work and have probably posted it in other threads in this forum.

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Well, I like to keep things simple, easy and well within the limits of the law, especially on an interstate move across the country. Hence, I had all my guns unloaded, stored seperate from ammo and mags, locked and stored behind a locked Uhaul cargo door (not to mention behind all kinds of household furniture, boxes and clothes).

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In Arkansas it is not required to tell an officer if you are carrying. Although it is highly reccommended to do so, there is no legal provision that requires it.
Yeah, that is exactly what I was taught. I only tell the cop if I have a Concealed Gun when he/she asks me if I have one, it is only recommended that I inform them that I have one from the get-go. In this case...no guns on my person nor in reach NOR in the cabin.

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Duisburg, do you feel that the incident you were involved in is something you should move on from, and not feel like you got a raw deal?
There are a lot who say LEOS should not act like that, yet when they hear of your story they are not saying that you should try to do anything about it.
The two views seem to be inconsistent, so I wondered how you yourself felt about it? Were you violated in a big way or was it ah, just a simple little thing? Only you would know.
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Duisburg, do you feel that the incident you were involved in is something you should move on from, and not feel violated at all?
I asked in part because there has been some discussion about a certain percentage of LEOS as being bad apples, which is true, and how people hate to run into them on the highways, yet I don't see many recommendations for you to take some kind of action against a LEO who is a bad apple, if all you say is true.
The two views seem to be inconsistent, so I wondered how you yourself felt about it? Were you violated in a big way or was it ah, just a simple little thing? Only you would know.

Yes, absolutly. I have had many good experiences with Officers who were good people doing their job curtiously. I have always had respect for officers with a "yes sir, no problem sir, have a nice day and take it easy buddy!" No joke, no stretch here, I understand that Officers have jobs to do, have seen some bad things, had bad experiences and are trying to make society better and the only thing that I should do is to make their jobs easier.
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