Open Carry - What do you think? - Page 13

Rob99VMI04 · July 9th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Tubby,
I understand what your saying but here is my logic.

Every point that has been made by both sides is a valid and can be articulated if one lives in a perfect world. However we don't live in a perfect world. I do not condone people for open carry however, I do discourage others from practicing it if one can carry concealed.

To me there is no point in showing your hand if you don't have to. Open carry is just that. Just like Kenny sings in his song the Gambler.

I won't argue that open carry discourages crime because I think in some cases it does however, you cannot argue that open carry also encourages crimnal behavior towards the person practicing it. Therefore you are increasing your chances of being a target.

Lets just say: I'm a criminal and I want the biggest booty from two individuals, because most criminals do steal to make money.

Both the CCW holder and the Open carrier person Have a whooping $5 in their wallet and are carrying a Glock 9mm handgun. Retail $549.99 Street value is $1,000. A determined criminal to make the mortgage payments is going pass the CCW holder by since he may have $20 in his wallet. Not very good loot. But an open carrier has already shown him the image of getting him more money. Therefore it is a possiblility that he could try and ambush the Open carrier person to get the loot. Also, the stakes go up when the criminal realizes you have the tools at your disposal to fight back he may just neutralize you a head of time and pick your pockets after. A person concealed has not yet revealed the ace in his pocket ( or Glock on his hip) therefor while comfronted may actually have a one up on the bad guy. I'm not saying this is every case I'm just saying this could theoritecaly happen and probably has happened at one time.

So in essence Why appeal to the Criminal element that you are a steak dinner when you could in reality appear to be a Mcdonald French Fry. Both can fight back, but both have different completly differn't perceptions by both the individual and the criminal.

I also see most of the OC ing people utilizing fairly crappy holsters worn in spots where one could easily pin their arms back to disallow the use of their guns, and not only that they have no idea what to do if somebody does go for their gun. I've seen some really good OC shooters however, I've also seen ones that could not hit the target if they where 5 feet away and 3 feet wide by 8 feet tall. I'm sure there are some CCWers in that catagory, but why go the extra mile to make harder. I am not actively supporting a ban on OC and do think it is needed in certain cases. However, in most poker games the players do not start the game before hand with their card face up on the table before they place bets.

cdwolf · July 9th, 2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04

Tubby,
I understand what your saying but here is my logic.

I also see most of the OC ing people utilizing fairly crappy holsters worn in spots where one could easily pin their arms back to disallow the use of their guns, and not only that they have no idea what to do if somebody does go for their gun. I've seen some really good OC shooters however, I've also seen ones that could not hit the target if they where 5 feet away and 3 feet wide by 8 feet tall. I'm sure there are some CCWers in that catagory, but why go the extra mile to make harder. I am not actively supporting a ban on OC and do think it is needed in certain cases. However, in most poker games the players do not start the game before hand with their card face up on the table before they place bets.

If I open carry it is in a VM-II or High Noon slide-guard,on a shark belt $400+ leather and My little compact USP may suprise you at 5 feet on a 3x8.
I'm 6'3" 235lb and don't look like a victim. I have OC and CC for years without a problem. So by not OC you really don't Know both sides , understand.JMO

JD · July 9th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Well, we've gone from "What do you think about OC" to the OC vs. CC debate.

Thanks for playing guys.

July 9th, 2008, 05:27 PM	#121
Rob99VMI04 Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ABOVE is the FOOTPRINT of a common american CHICKEN Posts: 1,656	Tubby, I understand what your saying but here is my logic. Every point that has been made by both sides is a valid and can be articulated if one lives in a perfect world. However we don't live in a perfect world. I do not condone people for open carry however, I do discourage others from practicing it if one can carry concealed. To me there is no point in showing your hand if you don't have to. Open carry is just that. Just like Kenny sings in his song the Gambler. I won't argue that open carry discourages crime because I think in some cases it does however, you cannot argue that open carry also encourages crimnal behavior towards the person practicing it. Therefore you are increasing your chances of being a target. Lets just say: I'm a criminal and I want the biggest booty from two individuals, because most criminals do steal to make money. Both the CCW holder and the Open carrier person Have a whooping $5 in their wallet and are carrying a Glock 9mm handgun. Retail $549.99 Street value is $1,000. A determined criminal to make the mortgage payments is going pass the CCW holder by since he may have $20 in his wallet. Not very good loot. But an open carrier has already shown him the image of getting him more money. Therefore it is a possiblility that he could try and ambush the Open carrier person to get the loot. Also, the stakes go up when the criminal realizes you have the tools at your disposal to fight back he may just neutralize you a head of time and pick your pockets after. A person concealed has not yet revealed the ace in his pocket ( or Glock on his hip) therefor while comfronted may actually have a one up on the bad guy. I'm not saying this is every case I'm just saying this could theoritecaly happen and probably has happened at one time. So in essence Why appeal to the Criminal element that you are a steak dinner when you could in reality appear to be a Mcdonald French Fry. Both can fight back, but both have different completly differn't perceptions by both the individual and the criminal. I also see most of the OC ing people utilizing fairly crappy holsters worn in spots where one could easily pin their arms back to disallow the use of their guns, and not only that they have no idea what to do if somebody does go for their gun. I've seen some really good OC shooters however, I've also seen ones that could not hit the target if they where 5 feet away and 3 feet wide by 8 feet tall. I'm sure there are some CCWers in that catagory, but why go the extra mile to make harder. I am not actively supporting a ban on OC and do think it is needed in certain cases. However, in most poker games the players do not start the game before hand with their card face up on the table before they place bets. __________________ "You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God, you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Trooper M. Padgett "When seconds count.....Cops Respond in Minutes"

July 9th, 2008, 06:05 PM	#123
JD Senior Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bedford County Virginia Posts: 8,880	Well, we've gone from "What do you think about OC" to the OC vs. CC debate. Thanks for playing guys. __________________ Looking for something else to read? Check out the DefensiveCarry.com Blog Section Forum Customs & Courtesies Forum Usage: Tips and Tricks

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