DaveH

No disagreement here on the target #1disadvantage in a hostile situation.

I'd add that sometimes the sight of a OC (think Virginia's required OC in places with ABC on-premise, here) can create a hostile response.

OTOH -- I personally have been two situations (and know others in the OC community who report more) where perceived potential threats altered their body language and movement upon seeing that I was armed.

Was I in real danger? No way to prove it. However, when two rather unpleasant looking young men pass you on the other side of a street (eyeballing you), cross the street, come back toward you, at twenty some feet they split so as to pass on both the street & building sides of you, and one is reached under his shirt -- what do you think? Then when you do the VA Tuck and place you hand on the grip, the one w/o his hand inside his shirt says something to the other, they both turn around and walk away, what do you think? Yes, this was a CC converted to an OC. However, were VA not a OC State, it would have been illegal.

The other was OC all the way and less dramatic.

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atctimmy

Why Timmy? I'm offended.

What if we put all the nukes on the Moon and set them off just before it hit the Earth?

I see the logic in both viewpoints. Youngda's argument seems more persuasive to me.

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DaveH

I saw the , but I think there are those who do think that.

In establishments that have ABC on-premise.

When in the State Legislative Building, lobbying, making a point, etc.

Ditto, other public forums.

Ditto, on VT Campus at rallies.

But for the most part, most that I know CC, most of the time -- as do I.

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SammyIamToday

I whole heartedl agree with this. I don't usually OC unless I'm hiking where it's a lot more comfortable with a pack.

I am very glad that a lot of people OC though. I'm very glad that it's a growing movement. The more people that realize guns don't jump out of holsters and run to playgrounds to attack school children the better.

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matiki

I have a neighbor that hates guns. Whenever I'm going to the range and I see her in her yard, I OC to the range with a big smile on my face the whole way. Otherwise I keep it to myself.

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youngda9

"the fact that it hasn't happened yet, does not mean that it can't happen." correct...but the most important part of your statement is "the fact that it hasn't happened" :)

Yes I know where you're going with this. No hard "facts"...but logically I don't think it can be dispelled. But no you can't "prove it" with hard statistics....gotcha.

You're coming around JD :)

Good little joust there JD

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jahwarrior72

i'll second that....unfortunately, the hostile response is usually from anyone who isn't armed.

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ppkheat

I'm for both OC and CC, and I think that each has its place. The sheep public is real uncomfortable seeing OC, but they need to see it and begin to get used to it.

Currently, good decisions should be made now on individual basis when and where to OC or CC. Wise choices during this time ultimately helps our cause. Poor choices may hurt it.

BTW, I saw on tv recently that essentially the gunfight at OK Corral was basically about OC vs CC.

Staff and members- Thanks for letting this thread run, it seems a good tribute to the moderators and members for a lengthy discussion like this to continue w/o flaming (so far).

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500Mag

We all know the schools of thought on the element of surprise vs. the deterent factor, etc, etc. The thing is, I've never read hard evidence either way supporting either school of thought. When was the last time you read "criminal targets guy OC'ing"?

I do believe people should be able to choose for themselves. To each his own.

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tankdriver

As stated above, TN is a Open Carry State. I do not do it. I do not want a BG walking up to me to rob me, see I'm armed and know he will have to kill me before I have a chance to do anything to him. I want the fact I'm armed come as a complete suprise to him when I pull it.

I do like the fact that since it is open carry, I do not have to worry about printing, or the butt showing.

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