Subcompact Guide Rods

glock21guy · February 15th, 2006, 07:17 PM

I am some what concerned about the guide rods used in the subcompacts like my G30. The back flange that rests on the barrel is very thin. Much thiner than the flange on say my G21. I have heard of the rods chipping, and every thing still works fine. But to my knowledge it was on standards or compact models.

I have done some searching, and the only two metal replacement I have found are from Glockmeister (stainless), and Wolf Spring (steel with a protective coating.)

Any thoughts or experience with this?

Bud White · February 15th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Wouldn't worry about it till it breaks i haven't had any problems with any of mine but a spare stock glock recoil setup and keep it on hand

Ive seen them crack on the fullsize but never the Compacts or Subcompact's

Rob72 · February 16th, 2006, 11:49 AM

I've used Haart's, and was pleased. Nothing from Wolff could be bad, they'll make it right if you get a fluke.

CLASS3NH · February 16th, 2006, 12:26 PM

The rod on my Glock 29 10mm broke real quick.......after about 200 rnds...........i sent it back to Glock and they replaced it..........flimsy peice of plastic...and I was NOT impressed with the part, but it's a Glock, and they shoot well...I'll go to Tungsten soon

Tangle · February 16th, 2006, 12:44 PM

It is interesting that Glocks are touted as one of the most reliable guns out there; that includes the plastic parts. They work; few fail.

It concerns me also that the guide rods are plastic and some seem quite thin. But again, they work! While the plastic guides share the Glock Perfection persona, it would seem a metal guide rod would almost be an improvement.

Some get a tungsen GR to get a double whammy for their trouble and expense - a stronger part and more muzzle weight to reduce recoil a bit. Dave Sevigny uses a tungsten GR in his competition G-35.

QKShooter · February 19th, 2006, 12:48 AM

Forget ANYTHING Haarts...They are totally out of business.
Don't bother to call the phone number published on the web for Harrts...some poor lady has that same number now & she gets a lot of phone calls from people wanting Haarts Recoil Reducers.

Haarts is completely kaputt AKA Finished & Gone For Good.

Bud White · February 19th, 2006, 09:30 AM

Can you even get a tungsen GR for the Subcompacts last i knew you couldn't And that wasn't to long ago i was long to see

glock21guy · February 19th, 2006, 11:18 AM

Bud

Stainless, and coated steel are the only ones I have found.

The muzzle rise on my G30 is less or about the same as my G21, with a tungsten, for what it is worth.

HappyGunner · February 19th, 2006, 12:41 PM

I switched to a S.S. guide rod on my Glock23 Just thought it might be a good idea.

frankmako · February 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM

Over the years I have seen the plastic rods on the first generation and some second generation Glock 17 and 19 break. The old recoil assemblies are a two-piece set/item (spring and plastic rod). The springs came off the rod and the whole assemblies were hard to put back in place. This was the reason they broke. Most individuals did not get the rods fully in place on the barrel end and they would break with use. Now they come with a captive guide rod system. Much better than the old system. EFK Fire Dragon makes a Frame-Saver Dual Action Recoil Springs for Glocks. I have one in a Glock 19 and 23. They are very good. Muzzle rise is less over the factory spring. The only reason I am using them is that EFK gave me a great deal on a barrel/spring combo. In my Glock 30 I am using the factory two-spring recoil assembly system and have shot well over 5K rounds with no problems. In my Glock 22 I am using the factory captive guide rod system with no problems with over 8K rounds down range. But I did put a small metal rod inside the plastic rod. Got this small metal rod at a gun show for $5.00. Don’t remember the name of the company, but the card that the metal rod was on was a green in color. This small metal rod stops the flex of the plastic rod when the gun is fired. The factory two-spring recoil assembly systems on the sub-compact models (G30/36/26/27/33/29) are good. You do not have to change them they keep on working and why would you throw the money away for an after market spring set when the factory two spring system works just as good or better.

February 15th, 2006, 07:17 PM	#1
glock21guy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 523	Subcompact Guide Rods I am some what concerned about the guide rods used in the subcompacts like my G30. The back flange that rests on the barrel is very thin. Much thiner than the flange on say my G21. I have heard of the rods chipping, and every thing still works fine. But to my knowledge it was on standards or compact models. I have done some searching, and the only two metal replacement I have found are from Glockmeister (stainless), and Wolf Spring (steel with a protective coating.) Any thoughts or experience with this? __________________ Aaron If you don't protect your self, who will?

February 16th, 2006, 12:26 PM	#4
CLASS3NH VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Southern New Hampshire Posts: 2,567	The rod on my Glock 29 10mm broke real quick.......after about 200 rnds...........i sent it back to Glock and they replaced it..........flimsy peice of plastic...and I was NOT impressed with the part, but it's a Glock, and they shoot well...I'll go to Tungsten soon __________________ Why Waltz when you can Rock-N-Roll

February 19th, 2006, 12:48 AM	#6
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,473	Additional Info Forget ANYTHING Haarts...They are totally out of business. Don't bother to call the phone number published on the web for Harrts...some poor lady has that same number now & she gets a lot of phone calls from people wanting Haarts Recoil Reducers. Haarts is completely kaputt AKA Finished & Gone For Good.

February 19th, 2006, 11:18 AM	#8
glock21guy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 523	Bud Stainless, and coated steel are the only ones I have found. The muzzle rise on my G30 is less or about the same as my G21, with a tungsten, for what it is worth. __________________ Aaron If you don't protect your self, who will?

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February 15th, 2006, 07:21 PM	#2
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Wouldn't worry about it till it breaks i haven't had any problems with any of mine but a spare stock glock recoil setup and keep it on hand Ive seen them crack on the fullsize but never the Compacts or Subcompact's

February 16th, 2006, 11:49 AM	#3
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 3,112	I've used Haart's, and was pleased. Nothing from Wolff could be bad, they'll make it right if you get a fluke.

February 16th, 2006, 12:44 PM	#5
Tangle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 6,001	It is interesting that Glocks are touted as one of the most reliable guns out there; that includes the plastic parts. They work; few fail. It concerns me also that the guide rods are plastic and some seem quite thin. But again, they work! While the plastic guides share the Glock Perfection persona, it would seem a metal guide rod would almost be an improvement. Some get a tungsen GR to get a double whammy for their trouble and expense - a stronger part and more muzzle weight to reduce recoil a bit. Dave Sevigny uses a tungsten GR in his competition G-35.

February 19th, 2006, 09:30 AM	#7
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Can you even get a tungsen GR for the Subcompacts last i knew you couldn't And that wasn't to long ago i was long to see

February 19th, 2006, 12:41 PM	#9
HappyGunner Membership Revoked Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 151	I switched to a S.S. guide rod on my Glock23 Just thought it might be a good idea.

February 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM	#10
frankmako VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 2,034	Over the years I have seen the plastic rods on the first generation and some second generation Glock 17 and 19 break. The old recoil assemblies are a two-piece set/item (spring and plastic rod). The springs came off the rod and the whole assemblies were hard to put back in place. This was the reason they broke. Most individuals did not get the rods fully in place on the barrel end and they would break with use. Now they come with a captive guide rod system. Much better than the old system. EFK Fire Dragon makes a Frame-Saver Dual Action Recoil Springs for Glocks. I have one in a Glock 19 and 23. They are very good. Muzzle rise is less over the factory spring. The only reason I am using them is that EFK gave me a great deal on a barrel/spring combo. In my Glock 30 I am using the factory two-spring recoil assembly system and have shot well over 5K rounds with no problems. In my Glock 22 I am using the factory captive guide rod system with no problems with over 8K rounds down range. But I did put a small metal rod inside the plastic rod. Got this small metal rod at a gun show for $5.00. Don’t remember the name of the company, but the card that the metal rod was on was a green in color. This small metal rod stops the flex of the plastic rod when the gun is fired. The factory two-spring recoil assembly systems on the sub-compact models (G30/36/26/27/33/29) are good. You do not have to change them they keep on working and why would you throw the money away for an after market spring set when the factory two spring system works just as good or better.