Nothing good ever comes from a gun - Page 2

highvoltage · March 18th, 2009, 11:27 PM

Someone should direct him to this website:

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage

TN_Mike · March 18th, 2009, 11:32 PM

What a moron.

HotGuns · March 18th, 2009, 11:36 PM

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He is an anti-gun idiot. However, he wrote, "...a massacre in a mall, or elsewhere, they'll just say if more people had guns to defend themselves with, you'd have less violence..." He has some in the pro-gun crowd nailed. The answer is not always more guns.

So Thanis, when some whacko goes out and starts his own personal massacre at a mall or somewhere,if "the answer is not more guns",then what IS the answer?

Force can only be met with Force, and to win it must be OVERWHELMING force.
In a situation like that above, guns are the only answer.

Bark'n · March 18th, 2009, 11:37 PM

Great letter Tim... want to take any bets on if it gets published?

Seriously though... Outstanding rebuttal!

Reicher · March 19th, 2009, 12:34 AM

Well written Tim.

matiki · March 19th, 2009, 01:17 AM

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Nobody needs a gun for self-defense, because nobody ever uses a gun for self-defense.

That's awesome.

If only everyone on that side of the argument were so gifted.

SubNine · March 19th, 2009, 05:06 AM

Same old stuff from the people with strong emotional feelings against the use of firearms. No matter what article I come across that has any mention of "guns serve no good purpose" they all say the same thing,

"I don't like guns, and neither should you!"

I would love to see some of these anti-gun people say what they're saying now when they are at the mercy of street thugs and armed burglars, and they don't have a gun to defend themselves.

rottkeeper · March 19th, 2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SubNine

I would love to see some of these anti-gun people say what they're saying now when they are at the mercy of street thugs and armed burglars, and they don't have a gun to defend themselves.

If they lived through it, it would cause them to become more vehement about guns. They would rather say that without guns there would have been no crime rather than a gun would help them in a crime if they had one. It is pure hate that makes people rationalize the irrational fear of an inanimate object. I have often wondered the same, would they not want the help of someone who is legally carrying when they are being violated somehow?

slickshot · March 19th, 2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanis

Every once and a while a person gets behind the wheel to a car and causes tragedies. I'm pro-driving, but I accept that fact that sometimes things go wrong, because overall, I believe driving is a good thing.

Every once and a while, easy access to firearms is a bad thing. I'm pro-gun, and I accept that fact that sometimes things go wrong, but overall, I believe gun ownership (2A) is a good thing.

Here, enjoy this nugget that nudged my blood presure so fast I have a mild headache:

Nothing good ever comes from a gun -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Now I don't like this guy. He is an anti-gun idiot. However, he wrote, "...a massacre in a mall, or elsewhere, they'll just say if more people had guns to defend themselves with, you'd have less violence..." He has some in the pro-gun crowd nailed. The answer is not always more guns.

"...nobody ever uses a gun for self-defense..." is so stupid it is likely to cause a brain aneurysm just to read it and believe someone could make the statement. I'm not from South Florida. Has this guy been declared legally retarded?

If he hasn't he should be. That is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. I am, from south Florida, and I wouldn't want to walk the streets of palm beach, Fort Lauder dale, or Fort Myers, without my gun....."That would be insane".!!!!!!

ron8903 · March 19th, 2009, 11:06 AM

I wont walk the streets of Okeechobee without my
legally concealed handgun!

NYcarry · March 19th, 2009, 11:11 AM

I hear Bahhhh Bahhh Bahhhh

Chevy-SS · March 19th, 2009, 11:51 AM

Wow, I guess you'd call him a real "anti-gunner".

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scottc · March 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM

Great letter blackjack-this guy's an idiot

paramedic70002 · March 19th, 2009, 01:48 PM

I guess Lexington, Concord, Yorktown, etc. were bad too. Maybe he should move to England.

BlackJack · March 19th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys. I really do not expect to get any response, but I’ll let you know if I do, they are supposed to contact the submitter before publishing a letter.

Thanis · March 19th, 2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HotGuns

So Thanis, when some whacko goes out and starts his own personal massacre at a mall or somewhere,if "the answer is not more guns",then what IS the answer?...

I would think more armed citizens would help in the situation you provide.

Guy in a truck doing drive by. Guy in the bell tower with a bolt action 30.06 hunting rifle. Never had previous issues. No warnings. In some rare event, easy access to certain types of firearms is a factor that assisted him / her and is an unfortunate conquience of a society with easy access to firearms. I doubt armed citizens would do much to change those situations.

I don't think it provides the case for greater regulation, however I don't think it proves more guns is the solution. I'm not sure there is a solution for some of those events. It really has nothing to do with firearms. It is the conquences of living in a free society.

HotGuns · March 19th, 2009, 10:36 PM

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I doubt armed citizens would do much to change those situations.

Actually, the examples are many where armed citizens did exactly that.

Here is one famous case...a man with a scope rifle killing people from a bell tower.

CHARLES WHITMAN: THE TEXAS TOWER SNIPER - Crime Library on truTV.com

In this case, armed citizens made a difference.

Thanis · March 19th, 2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HotGuns

Actually, the examples are many where armed citizens did exactly that.

Here is one famous case...a man with a scope rifle killing people from a bell tower.

CHARLES WHITMAN: THE TEXAS TOWER SNIPER - Crime Library on truTV.com

In this case, armed citizens made a difference.

No, I did not read your link.

The most well know guy in a tower story I know of. Your stretching. Terrible example. They had to make their way up a staircase. By the time they got to him he had just about done as much damage as he could. LEO responded. Has absolutely nothing to do with armed citizen (non-leo) CC preventing much of anything. 14 (or was it 15) people dead and wounded 32 others. Yes the non-leo shooting back helped give the officer a good shot. But thats it. For the most part, he had done his damage. You are proving the anti-gun people's point about pro-gun.

HotGuns · March 19th, 2009, 11:09 PM

Wrong again Thanis.

Man armed with an M1carbine helped police shoot the guy which ended the killing spree. Other shooters kept the guy pinned down.Citizen with rifles. When they started firing back at the shooter, it kept him from firing on others.

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You are proving the anti-gun people's point about pro-gun

Nope. You are using the anti-gun mentality that armed citizens cant do any good at all against somewhat bent on violence.

Besides,anti-gunners dont use points, or logic,or common sense. If they did, they wouldn't be anti-object...in this case, gun.

Thanis · March 19th, 2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HotGuns

...Nope. You are using the anti-gun mentality that armed citizens cant do any good at all against somewhat bent on violence....

Sometimes that is true. In some situations the armed citizens can't do any good against those bent on violence. I will not blame the victims (well, at least not all the time).

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Originally Posted by HotGuns

...Besides,anti-gunners dont use points, or logic,or common sense. If they did, they wouldn't be anti-object...in this case, gun.

You are pro-object. You are the same as the anti-gun journalist, just on the other side of the issue

March 18th, 2009, 11:27 PM	#21
highvoltage Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 563	Someone should direct him to this website: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage __________________ Three Glocks , Three Rugers, Assorted other stuff NRA Endowment Member Yes, a gun is a weapon. But the danger comes from the mind attached to the trigger finger. Caliber doesn't matter if you can't hit your target.

March 18th, 2009, 11:32 PM	#22
TN_Mike VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southwest TN Posts: 8,086	What a moron. __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Barry Goldwater 1968 "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" -Thomas Jefferson

March 18th, 2009, 11:37 PM	#24
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 4,361	Great letter Tim... want to take any bets on if it gets published? Seriously though... Outstanding rebuttal! __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

March 19th, 2009, 12:34 AM	#25
Reicher Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 82	Well written Tim. __________________ "Manners are good when one may have to back up his actions with his life" Robert Heinlein"

March 19th, 2009, 05:06 AM	#27
SubNine Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 1,707	Same old stuff from the people with strong emotional feelings against the use of firearms. No matter what article I come across that has any mention of "guns serve no good purpose" they all say the same thing, "I don't like guns, and neither should you!" I would love to see some of these anti-gun people say what they're saying now when they are at the mercy of street thugs and armed burglars, and they don't have a gun to defend themselves. __________________ USMC rule # 23 of gunfighting: Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. I am the God fearing, gun toting, flag waving conservative you were warned about!

March 19th, 2009, 11:06 AM	#30
ron8903 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,329	I wont walk the streets of Okeechobee without my legally concealed handgun! __________________ "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

March 19th, 2009, 11:11 AM	#31
NYcarry Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate Posts: 513	I hear Bahhhh Bahhh Bahhhh __________________

March 19th, 2009, 11:51 AM	#32
Chevy-SS Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 403	Wow, I guess you'd call him a real "anti-gunner". - __________________ I am aware of many things, especially my own ignorance...............

March 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM	#33
scottc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Iraq Posts: 781	Great letter blackjack-this guy's an idiot __________________ Expecting a carjacker or rapist or drug pusher to care that his possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces.-Joseph T. Chew

March 19th, 2009, 01:48 PM	#34
paramedic70002 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Franklin, VA Posts: 2,920	I guess Lexington, Concord, Yorktown, etc. were bad too. Maybe he should move to England. __________________ Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But... Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

March 19th, 2009, 04:49 PM	#35
BlackJack Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 278	Thanks for the feedback guys. I really do not expect to get any response, but I’ll let you know if I do, they are supposed to contact the submitter before publishing a letter.

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