Recall: Remington 17 HMR Rifles & Ammo - Page 2

ccw9mm · August 22nd, 2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PAcanis

Wow, makes me glad mine is a Savage bolt action and I use Hornady ammo.

Does anyone know what the actual reason is behind the recall?

Consider the problem of using spire-point bullets in a lever-action rifle with a tube-fed magazine. The problem is with the design of the bullet being incompatible with the feeding mechanism when a tube mag is involved.

What if the problem with the rounds is in the round itself. Couldn't the problem then apply to other rifles, not just the Rem 597?

Hard to know for certain until the cause of the recall is known.

goawayfarm · August 22nd, 2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

Does anyone know what the actual reason is behind the recall?

Consider the problem of using spire-point bullets in a lever-action rifle with a tube-fed magazine. The problem is with the design of the bullet being incompatible with the feeding mechanism when a tube mag is involved.

What if the problem with the rounds is in the round itself. Couldn't the problem then apply to other rifles, not just the Rem 597?

Hard to know for certain until the cause of the recall is known.

+1.....Definitely need more info.

The 597 has a removable magazine, so no 'tube' issues. Plus the .17HMR is a rim-fire case. It's a necked down .22magnum.

If I had to guess......it could be one of two things.

1)It might be the round is breaking up or fragmenting in the barrel. Then the back pressure could cause the failures. You wouldn't think the pressure would be that great since it is a rim-fire case & there isn't that much powder in it......

2)Possibly the bullet is being knocked or bent partially out of the case as it chambered.

I also have been using the Hornady rounds & they are very accurate for a rim-fire & they are really effective on small stuff. I tried them on a gallon jug of water to see their effect & it's impressive. The round disintegrates & turns to power, with the jacket leaving the biggest pieces to remain....& those pieces are tiny.

Even if it turns out I can't use the 597, I will get a bolt-gun for that caliber!

cvhoss · August 22nd, 2009, 08:10 PM

This is what's posted on the Remington Web Site:

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PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING
AND RECALL NOTICE

17 HMR AMMUNITION AND MODEL 597® HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC

DO NOT USE REMINGTON 17 HMR AMMUNITION IN SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS.

DO NOT USE THE REMINGTON MODEL 597 HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE.

Remington has been notified by its supplier of 17 HMR ammunition that 17 HMR ammunition is not suitable for use in semi-automatic firearms. The use of this ammunition in a semi-automatic firearm could result in property damage or serious personal injury.

If you have a semi-automatic firearm chambered for 17 HMR ammunition, immediately discontinue use of Remington 17 HMR ammunition. If you have any Remington 17 HMR ammunition that you wish to return to Remington contact the Remington Consumer Service number below. Do not return the ammunition to the dealer. Remington will provide you with a $10.00 coupon for each complete box of 50 rounds of Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition you return to Remington. This coupon will be good for the purchase of any Remington ammunition at your local dealer.

In light of the ammunition manufacturer’s notice, it is very important that you immediately stop using your Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle. If you own a Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle and wish to return it to Remington please contact the below Remington Consumer Service Number. In return for your Remington Model 597 17 HMR synthetic stock semi-automatic rifle, Remington will provide you a coupon valued at $200.00 good for the purchase of a replacement Remington firearm. If you have a laminate stock Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle, Remington will provide you a coupon valued at $250.00 good for the purchase of a replacement Remington firearm. Remington will also reimburse you for the actual postage to return your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle to Remington.

Please allow up to 6 weeks after Remington receives your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle or your Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition for the appropriate coupons to arrive. Instructions for redemption of the coupons will be contained on the coupon.

For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return of your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle or your Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition, please contact the Remington Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Safety First
Always observe the ten commandments of safe gun handling and wear approved eye and ear protection anytime you are shooting.

The emphasis is mine. I may be reading this wrong, but it sounds almost as if they are saying that 17HMR is not safe in any semi-auto firearm. I can't really tell from the information given if it's only their ammo or all ammo that isn't safe in a semi but I'm guessing that it's any ammo in any semi and that's why their doing a buy-back on their only 17HMR semi, the 597. If anyone owns any brand of 17HRM semi-auto, it could be worth calling them to get more details.

Hoss

goawayfarm · August 22nd, 2009, 08:14 PM

Out of town at the moment, but when I get back I'm going to call Remington to find out.....I would really hate to only get $200 bucks for the gun that I paid MORE for!

ccw9mm · August 22nd, 2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cvhoss

... it sounds almost as if they are saying that 17HMR is not safe in any semi-auto firearm.

Agreed that while the warning is issued, they fail to specify the cause. They state the ammo should not be used, but they merely imply the ammo's the cause. In which case, ALL firing of .17HMR would be suspect and risky. Though, they are specifically indicating Remington .17HMR ammo. No other manufacturer of ammo seems to be talking about recalls, from what I can find so far (unless I've missed it). Hard to tell, at this point.

SleepingZ · August 23rd, 2009, 12:58 AM

Here's what I THINK (don't know for 100%) I have heard that Magnum Research has also had issues with their 17HMR semi auto.

From what I was told, is that the 17 has too high of case pressure for the auto loaders to handle, and have experienced blown out cases.

If you read the Remington article, they state "their ammo supplier" so you can bet they are not making the 17hmr ammo. I would guess there are 2 companies loading HMR ammo maybe Hornady, and CCI. It also states not to use the ammo in any semi auto.

Now for Remington to only offer a $10.00 coupon for the return of the ammo, gee I wish they would sell me a box for $10.00

and a coupon of $200.00 for the gun?? why not what you paid for it, or the manufactures suggested retail price??

Any of you folks that laughed at the LCP recall, seems to me Ruger has a lot more respect for their customers than Remington.

cvhoss · August 23rd, 2009, 01:31 AM

This is posted on CCI's web site:

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17 HMR AMMUNITION PRODUCT SAFETY NOTICE AND WARNING

August 20, 2009

Dear Customer:

Do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Use of 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms may result in serious personal injury or property damage.

17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures’ Institute (SAAMI). Subsequent to the design and introduction of 17 HMR ammunition to the market, 17 HMR semi-automatic firearms were introduced by various firearm manufacturers. Those firearms have proven to be incompatible with 17 HMR ammunition. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic.

Accordingly, do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Only use 17 HMR in modern firearms in good condition marked for 17 HMR cartridges. Always use eye and ear protection. Always read all product labeling carefully for instructions on safe use.

Please contact your gun manufacturer or CCI Technical Service at 1-866-286-7436 with questions.

This is posted on Winchester's web site:

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News and Press Releases

PRODUCT WARNING NOTICE: WINCHESTER® 17 HMR AMMUNITION

Winchester Ammunition
8/21/2009

PRODUCT WARNING NOTICE

WINCHESTER® 17 HMR AMMUNITION

DO NOT USE WINCHESTER® SUPREME® OR SUPER-X® 17 HMR RIMFIRE AMMUNITION IN SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS. No other calibers of rimfire ammunition are subject to this warning.

Winchester 17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). Winchester has been notified by its supplier that 17 HMR rimfire ammunition is not suitable for use in semi-automatic firearms. The use of this ammunition in a semi-automatic firearm may cause firearm damage, rendering the firearm inoperable, and subject the shooter to a risk of serious personal injury. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic.

If you have any questions concerning this warning notice please contact your firearm’s manufacturer or call Winchester toll-free at 866-423-5224 (U.S. & Canada), write to the address below, or visit our website at Winchester.

We apologize for this inconvenience.

WINCHESTER AMMUNITION August 21, 2009
600 Powder Mill Road
East Alton, IL 62024-1273

And this is on Federal's web site:

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17 HMR AMMUNITION PRODUCT SAFETY NOTICE AND WARNING

August 20, 2009

Dear Customer:

Do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Use of 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms may result in serious personal injury or property damage.

17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures’ Institute (SAAMI). Subsequent to the design and introduction of 17 HMR ammunition to the market, 17 HMR semi-automatic firearms were introduced by various firearm manufacturers. Those firearms have proven to be incompatible with 17 HMR ammunition. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic.

Accordingly, do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Only use 17 HMR in modern firearms in good condition marked for 17 HMR cartridges. Always use eye and ear protection. Always read all product labeling carefully for instructions on safe use.
Please contact your gun manufacturer or Federal Premium Product Services at 1-800-831-0850 with questions.

Looks like if you own any semi-auto in 17HMR, you're out of luck.

Hoss

August 22nd, 2009, 08:14 PM	#14
goawayfarm VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fork Union, Virginia Posts: 2,276	Out of town at the moment, but when I get back I'm going to call Remington to find out.....I would really hate to only get $200 bucks for the gun that I paid MORE for! __________________ Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.-Seneca "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper

August 23rd, 2009, 12:58 AM	#16
SleepingZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ne Posts: 1,580	Here's what I THINK (don't know for 100%) I have heard that Magnum Research has also had issues with their 17HMR semi auto. From what I was told, is that the 17 has too high of case pressure for the auto loaders to handle, and have experienced blown out cases. If you read the Remington article, they state "their ammo supplier" so you can bet they are not making the 17hmr ammo. I would guess there are 2 companies loading HMR ammo maybe Hornady, and CCI. It also states not to use the ammo in any semi auto. Now for Remington to only offer a $10.00 coupon for the return of the ammo, gee I wish they would sell me a box for $10.00 and a coupon of $200.00 for the gun?? why not what you paid for it, or the manufactures suggested retail price?? Any of you folks that laughed at the LCP recall, seems to me Ruger has a lot more respect for their customers than Remington. __________________ 9 out of 10 engineers agree that 1 out of 10 engineers are idiots.

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