Gun Shot blow out kit - Page 2

MR D · September 10th, 2009, 08:35 PM

I have a nice kit in my car, trauma pads, airways, cervical spine stabilization gear etc - 8 years prior military service, 10 years service as Paramedic, former cpr and first aid instructor...

in the house I have access to feminine napkins and duct tape... what else do I need?

BacSi · September 10th, 2009, 08:46 PM

I've read about tampons being used to plug bullet holes in people. If so,carry them as well.
I'm an EMT as well and a medic that served in RVN.
Here in NJ all we can do is airway maintenance, control bleeding and treat for shock basically then wait for paramedics.
BacSi

Eirerogue · September 10th, 2009, 08:58 PM

Mercop: I agree with your assessment. I see folks buying 5-6 holsters for different guns @ $130+ each. But to spend some money on a blow out kit isn't on their radar. Go figure.

MattLarson · September 10th, 2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercop

OK, anyone have any training on how to treat a GSW?

Here's a piece I wrote for the reference forum a while back : Quick and Dirty Guide to Penetrating Trauma Management

no substitute for training, but it's a step in the right direction.

Matt

swatspyder · September 10th, 2009, 09:40 PM

Celox Products - Celox A

Quote:

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mercop · September 10th, 2009, 11:12 PM

Ban Aids are not going to cut it for a GSW. Here is what I have in the Bag of Evil Blow Out Kit.

2 Pr Nitrile Gloves
1 Roll Kerlix (gauze bandage)
2 Trau Medic Bandages (one for the entry hole and one for the exit hole)
CAT Tourniquet
Quick Clot

I also carry a Boo Boo kit in the same bag, the most used items in there are fabric band aids and Burn Gel.
There are only three ways you can cause trauma to a human body-
Burning
Cutting (cuts, stabs, penetrating wounds, rips from explosions)
Crushing (impact injuries)

When something happens slow your roll. Take the time to ALWAYS put gloves one, this will give you a second to clear your mind and think about what you need to do. Grab your kit, access the surrounds and make sure it is safe to render aid. Check the airway, breathing, bleeding. GSWs are not always gushing blood. If the person is standing up, lay them down. Control the bleeding with elevation and direct pressure. In most locations you should see EMS and police rolling in by this time.

If you carry a gun, spare mag, OC, knife...yada yada yada and have no first aid training or gear you may want to reevaluate your mindset because it sucks.

Violent encounter are only problems like car crashes and are problems. You need the training and tools to face all likely problems. You are much more likely to need your first aid kit than a gun. Saving a life feels better than taking one.- George

mlong623 · September 10th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Hmmmm......good thread.
I used to always have a first aid kit in each car and at least one in the house but this reminded me that I've gotten away from that. Dunno why, no excuse. Gotta get that fixed.

Never heard of a blowout kit either but I'm not surprised as I'm new to firearms. A few of those to supplement my existing kits is going on my shopping list pronto.

SIXTO · September 10th, 2009, 11:48 PM

Yup, got a kit or two, been trained to use it. I've actually used one twice in the last year.

Saint77 · September 11th, 2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercop

Thanks bro, I have to say I am alarmed by the lack of interest in this thread. Too many people prepared to shoot, not enough prepared to treat a gun shot wound. Wouldn't it suck to do everything right and fend off a violent attack, and look over and see a loved one with a GSW and have not training or equipment to save them?

This is actually a great idea for a thread. I could have used one when my wife was hit in the leg in '04. Thankfully, she didnt lose it. Im gonna have to get me a couple of these.

Bark'n · September 11th, 2009, 12:29 AM

For those who are interested in a commercially manufactured ready to go Gunshot Wound Blowout Kit here is a link to one by Gall's Public Safety Supplier.

There are lots of these types of kits out there from various suppliers. Some have Quick Clot products, and others have Celox products. Some are without. Some have combat tourniquets and others don't. (If you want to add a combat tourniquet, they can be purchased separately and added to a kit. They run in the range of $35 - $40 for a tourniquet alone) Pretty much all these kits are designed to fit inside a BDU pocket or on a belt so they would also fit inside any range bag easily.

You can also make your own blowout kit, piecemeal and just use the one linked here for ideas.

Anyway, this is just one kit from one manufacturer so good luck hunting for a kit that meets your needs. Most of the various commercially available kits run comparable in price give or take $10-$20.

Note: As always, proper training in the use of specific products in these types of kits are essential! Especially with use of combat tourniquets, hemostatic clotting products like Quick Clot and Celox and the Asherman Chest Seal for treatment of sucking chest wounds. Do Not Use without proper training!

Dynamed Gunshot Trauma Kit from Galls Public Safety <---- hyperlink

September 10th, 2009, 08:46 PM	#12
BacSi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 49	Blow out kit I've read about tampons being used to plug bullet holes in people. If so,carry them as well. I'm an EMT as well and a medic that served in RVN. Here in NJ all we can do is airway maintenance, control bleeding and treat for shock basically then wait for paramedics. BacSi __________________ We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.-George Orwell

September 10th, 2009, 11:12 PM	#16
mercop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 607	Ban Aids are not going to cut it for a GSW. Here is what I have in the Bag of Evil Blow Out Kit. 2 Pr Nitrile Gloves 1 Roll Kerlix (gauze bandage) 2 Trau Medic Bandages (one for the entry hole and one for the exit hole) CAT Tourniquet Quick Clot I also carry a Boo Boo kit in the same bag, the most used items in there are fabric band aids and Burn Gel. There are only three ways you can cause trauma to a human body- Burning Cutting (cuts, stabs, penetrating wounds, rips from explosions) Crushing (impact injuries) When something happens slow your roll. Take the time to ALWAYS put gloves one, this will give you a second to clear your mind and think about what you need to do. Grab your kit, access the surrounds and make sure it is safe to render aid. Check the airway, breathing, bleeding. GSWs are not always gushing blood. If the person is standing up, lay them down. Control the bleeding with elevation and direct pressure. In most locations you should see EMS and police rolling in by this time. If you carry a gun, spare mag, OC, knife...yada yada yada and have no first aid training or gear you may want to reevaluate your mindset because it sucks. Violent encounter are only problems like car crashes and are problems. You need the training and tools to face all likely problems. You are much more likely to need your first aid kit than a gun. Saving a life feels better than taking one.- George __________________ 2010 MCS Calander http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgb7wjh3_299f8tncbcz

September 10th, 2009, 11:48 PM	#18
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 12,245	Yup, got a kit or two, been trained to use it. I've actually used one twice in the last year. __________________ _________________ \|^^^^^^^^^^^^^\| \|___ \| SIXTO EXPRESS---\| \|\|'\|";,__. \|_..._...___________\| \|\|_\|_\|...,] "(@)'(@)""""\|(@)(@)*****(@)

September 11th, 2009, 12:29 AM	#20
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 4,298	For those who are interested in a commercially manufactured ready to go Gunshot Wound Blowout Kit here is a link to one by Gall's Public Safety Supplier. There are lots of these types of kits out there from various suppliers. Some have Quick Clot products, and others have Celox products. Some are without. Some have combat tourniquets and others don't. (If you want to add a combat tourniquet, they can be purchased separately and added to a kit. They run in the range of $35 - $40 for a tourniquet alone) Pretty much all these kits are designed to fit inside a BDU pocket or on a belt so they would also fit inside any range bag easily. You can also make your own blowout kit, piecemeal and just use the one linked here for ideas. Anyway, this is just one kit from one manufacturer so good luck hunting for a kit that meets your needs. Most of the various commercially available kits run comparable in price give or take $10-$20. Note: As always, proper training in the use of specific products in these types of kits are essential! Especially with use of combat tourniquets, hemostatic clotting products like Quick Clot and Celox and the Asherman Chest Seal for treatment of sucking chest wounds. Do Not Use without proper training! *Dynamed Gunshot Trauma Kit from Galls Public Safety* <---- hyperlink __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish." Last edited by Bark'n; September 11th, 2009 at 02:21 AM..

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September 10th, 2009, 08:35 PM	#11
MR D Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 788	I have a nice kit in my car, trauma pads, airways, cervical spine stabilization gear etc - 8 years prior military service, 10 years service as Paramedic, former cpr and first aid instructor... in the house I have access to feminine napkins and duct tape... what else do I need?

September 10th, 2009, 08:58 PM	#13
Eirerogue Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 202	Mercop: I agree with your assessment. I see folks buying 5-6 holsters for different guns @ $130+ each. But to spend some money on a blow out kit isn't on their radar. Go figure.

September 10th, 2009, 11:34 PM	#17
mlong623 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 46	Hmmmm......good thread. I used to always have a first aid kit in each car and at least one in the house but this reminded me that I've gotten away from that. Dunno why, no excuse. Gotta get that fixed. Never heard of a blowout kit either but I'm not surprised as I'm new to firearms. A few of those to supplement my existing kits is going on my shopping list pronto.