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View Poll Results: Do you think the break in for a New Pistol is valid or not?
Yes, I break in all my handguns. 64 28.44%
No, I think the firearm should function outa the box period. 53 23.56%
Irrelevant, I always fire several hundred rounds through any new firearm. 101 44.89%
Other 7 3.11%
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Old September 18th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #41
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I almost think some of you are confused about break-in vs test time. I voted a Glock.... ur um I mean a pistol should run perfect out of the box. Now it would be wise to TEST it at the range. I always get a kick out of the Kahr ads when they say why buy a block? Yea lets see your pistols require a break-in period and what ever you do don't slingshot or use the slide as it was intended Yea, anyway no break-in for me. And if there was a table of brand new (never fired) guns on a table and you said grab one we don't have time to test it. Well that would be the Glock every time.
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Old September 18th, 2009, 11:00 PM   #42
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I almost think some of you are confused about break-in vs test time.
I distinguish between the two. Uncertain about anyone else.

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a pistol should run perfect out of the box.
Even given the fact that these aren't low-tolerance aerospace mechanisms with 0.0001 tolerances throughout?

That's one way to view it.

Reality is, for almost everything manufactured outside certain specific areas of aerospace and optics, very few things are made in such a manner where tolerance stacking doesn't occur as part of the design's allowances for manufacturability at a given price-point. It is what it is.

Generally, all that means is a given unit will need a bit of break-in time to begin working well as a unit, though occasionally it's bad enough that something will run poorly for quite awhile. I'm sure that any of the engineers in the crowd can explain it better.

Point is, this sort of thing isn't a design failure, as such, nor failure on quality control by the manufacturer. It's simply that we're paying for a given level of quality. Higher quality and higher-end isn't, generally speaking, the segment of the market in which the manufacturer is playing, when such things are common. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just that if you want to accelerate the movement of such off-tolerance units toward better performance, you've got to deal with either a break-in period or some tuning, or both.

That's the way with most things. Car engines, for example, in which "blueprinting" is a well-accepted practice to turn a $5000 engine into a $50000 work or mechanical art. Those are two completely different ends of the spectrum, there. Meaning, for $5K, you are NOT going to generally get a mechanical work of art, though many will come of the assembly line working that way, or nearly so. It's the same with pistols.
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Old September 18th, 2009, 11:29 PM   #43
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I voted Irrelevant.... Who here after all the saving and shopping for the best deal and research as to exactly what firearm they wanted does not go out and shoot right away...heck both of the toy stores I frequent give a free 1/2 hour at the range with the purchase of any firearm.
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Old September 20th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #44
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The only pistol, I ever was told it needed a break-in period was my 1911 hi cap Springfield.The break-in period was considered 500 rounds.When I read
that I was shocked, because I had never had heard of that before .
Granted, I never consider getting ccw either so there's the higher standards.
When I did, glocks were in hand as I wasn't going to worry about any break -in
period.Besides,how can you go wrong less weight,18 rounds of 9mm,makes me feel warm and fussy.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #45
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I have owned several pistols that jammed right out of the box i just take them back. If it dont fire properly out of the box on the first 100 rounds that is enough for me. My beretta 92 FS didn't miss a beat right out of the box and I have fired thousands of rounds and still no problem except for my slide stop not working. (I have talked about that on another thread.)
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #46
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I voted irrelevant as well. It does take an act of God to keep me from the range on weekends, and any gun I buy and plan to carry gets fired before it ever meets a holster.
I love my children and enjoy bonding with all of them regularly.
I am a perfectionist and set high standards for myself. If I can shoot a 3" or smaller group consistently at 21 feet, I don't that particular gun until I can. I know darn well that if I ever have to use it, I mostly likely won't shoot as well as I can under range conditions, I want to be as proficient as possible before I trust a firearm and myself to carry it.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 08:17 AM   #47
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Yes, some guns will "smooth out" after extended use, but I'm a firm believer that a gun should run out of the box, and I shouldn't have to finish doing the factory's job to make the gun work in the first place.
After this poll resurfaced I started reading all the responses again. After reading this response, I find that I'm sitting squarely center of the fence on this subject. I quoted a portion of JD's post because I 100% agree with the points in bold. I'd say, I second his points for that matter. On the other hand, I do believe in the fact that most if not all manufactured mechanical devices where metal on metal and even some other materials meet and create friction, will ware when used and become more reliable as a result.

I put irrelevant in the pole because that's my main thought behind the "break in" for any new pistol. I'm thinkin, not to many experienced shooters if any, are gonna buy a new pistol and strap it on the hip and not worry about the reliability or function, as the poll clearly shows. Even when it comes to the revolver. The trigger and other moving parts will become smoother over use. Not by a great deal mind you, but never the less, it'll happen. I'll agree, the revolver is the most reliable firearm one can carry and everyone should have one in the safe for what ever reason you care to assign to it. My point is, call it a break in, or just getting to know your new weapon, it's gonna happen and the end result is a fact. The weapon is getting a break in every time you take it to the range and put rounds through it.

By some of the statements posted, one can take that, anyone who has ever had a pistol professionally tuned for reliability should be PO'd at the manufacturer for selling a weapon that won't function properly OTB. I'm not talkin about trigger jobs and custom alterations, just for reliability issues, or more over fit and finish, and I'm sure there out there. Just my take on the subject over a cup of coffee.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 08:23 AM   #48
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all pistols will need some type of break in to run right. and to break in the shooter to the new gun.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:02 AM   #49
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100 - 300 rounds seems expensive

but I guess I need the 'practice' anyway. I Received my CCW today! It only took 14 days!! I wanted a Glock 26 or 27 but pocket book allowed for a Taurus M85 UL (38 spl). Now, I still have not figured out how to conceal it. Its wider than I hoped. I don't really want to purse carry. Wondering about a fanny pack kind of thing. I am overweight-apple shape, so belt is not good. Wondering whether I should have gone with a Ruger LCP 380 or Kel-tec 3AT? and pocket carry. But then I read so many stories of 380 not effective in stopping someone...yikes it shoudn't be so complicated and expensive...
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but I guess I need the 'practice' anyway. I Received my CCW today! It only took 14 days!! I wanted a Glock 26 or 27 but pocket book allowed for a Taurus M85 UL (38 spl). Now, I still have not figured out how to conceal it. Its wider than I hoped. I don't really want to purse carry. Wondering about a fanny pack kind of thing. I am overweight-apple shape, so belt is not good. Wondering whether I should have gone with a Ruger LCP 380 or Kel-tec 3AT? and pocket carry. But then I read so many stories of 380 not effective in stopping someone...yikes it shoudn't be so complicated and expensive...
It can definitely become an expensive hobby (target shooting, not SD), but no ones going to tell you that you need to shoot all those rounds in one outing. The sooner you can do it the better, but if your funds are limited, try to shoot at least 1 box a week. You should be able to find .38 special in the neighborhood of $14-17 a box of 50.

Also, I would check out Cornered Cat for suggestions about ways to carry. It's a website designed and ran by a woman for women who conceal carry. The woman who runs it is a member here as well, but I can't remember her screen name off of the top of my head. It's been awhile since I've been on there, but I don't think she advocates purse carry either.
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