Growing Number of Detroit Pastors Wear Handguns in Pulpit - Page 3

Marvin Knox · October 7th, 2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefjason

..........And to the Mega church thing. We are getting close to that size. My church did a second mile giving push 2 weeks ago. When I heard how much was given my immediate thoughts were this.

1. Wow, that's a lot of money.
2. I am glad I now carry to church.
3. It's not if, but when, someone decides that it's too much money to not try and get it.

Our church services have several thousand people in many services. It is a lot of money especially when there is a special offering in the works.

We watch for "bucket snatchers" and such. We show ourselves clearly when the doors to the back room are opened for the taking of the offering buckets inside.

But - I would probably be inclined to letting a perp. have the money if he was armed. I don't intend to shoot anyone over money. Trip a bucket grabber and maybe break something - yes. But not whip out my concealed carry and off him because of a few bucks.

The person I am most conceerned with is the guy who comes in with a gun or multiple guns and intends to shoot someone. Perhaps his intent is to jump up on the stage and kill the pastor, open fire on the congregaion until his ammo runs low, then kill himself. You know the kind.

Not to mention flat out terrorist threats. And let's not forget domestic violence types with intent to harm their wife and her Christian fiends while he's at it.

Those folks will meet their maker before getting a shot off if I have my way.

CJ810 · October 8th, 2009, 12:04 AM

From what I understand my pastor has a security team. There are also armed police officers all over the place, in uniform, even more so I've noticed around the children's area. My wife and I go by it to get to the young marrieds classes.

My folks saw the offering being taken to wherever it gets taken care of and it sounded from them like it moves in a cluster of men, including armed and uniformed police.

I feel quite safe at church.

I have noticed that the church isn't posted. However, because there is a school there they may not have to be. Seems like someone asked a similar question on the forum about that recently. What's the answer there?

RevDerb · October 8th, 2009, 07:44 PM

miklcolt45 · October 9th, 2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Marvin Knox

And let's not forget domestic violence types with intent to harm their wife and her Christian fiends while he's at it.

I personally think it would be okay to shoot the Christian 'fiends.'
Now, who determines who's a fiend and who isn't...that could take some thought.

jumpwing · October 9th, 2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Marvin Knox

But - I would probably be inclined to letting a perp. have the money if he was armed. I don't intend to shoot anyone over money.

That's a noble philosophy with just one problem: You won't know exactly what he's after or what he's willing to do to get it until after it's all over with. You see the gun. You see him moving in the direction of the money. How long do you wait until you find out that he actually intended to shoot someone who just happened to be near the till? Or that he intended to shoot without warning and grab the money in the resulting chaos? Or that he's a thrill-killer who, after getting the money, plans on shooting you anyway? Or decides in an instant of foolishness that shooting you will help him get away?

I think many of us will agree that killing someone to protect the offering is too much. As far as I'm concerned, it's God's money at that point and the thief will have to square things up with Him. The trouble is, you have no guarantee that handing it over will keep everyone safe; nor can you be sure in the preceding moment before the theft that money is his goal.

Sky Pilot · October 9th, 2009, 03:42 PM

"Ministry of Defense!"

Retsup, well said!

chiefjason · October 11th, 2009, 03:39 AM

Bucket snatchers are one thing, but armed perps would be a different story. You want to take the money and run, fine. I'm sure someone, or a few, will be chasing. You pull out a gun and you just really upped the ante. I've made my thoughts known on 3rd party protection before. But I truly feel that in my church, things change. I would be more likely to get involved. Just not sure I could walk out and be OK knowing my lack of involvement meant someone was hurt or killed. That said, I'm checking the congregation to see who is moving or reaching too. We have a lot of cops, but unsure of any real security detail. It was discussed, but I never heard the conclusion.

OLDPUPPYMAX · October 13th, 2009, 04:45 PM

A majority black city run by the far left for decades and there is a crime problem? Well knock me over with a feather. I assume Mich is a "shall issue" state. CC applications should be FLOODING the state police, just as they are here in Ky. Hussein's only positive accomplishments are huge increases in weapon/ammo sales and CC license applications.

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October 8th, 2009, 12:04 AM	#22
CJ810 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 200	From what I understand my pastor has a security team. There are also armed police officers all over the place, in uniform, even more so I've noticed around the children's area. My wife and I go by it to get to the young marrieds classes. My folks saw the offering being taken to wherever it gets taken care of and it sounded from them like it moves in a cluster of men, including armed and uniformed police. I feel quite safe at church. I have noticed that the church isn't posted. However, because there is a school there they may not have to be. Seems like someone asked a similar question on the forum about that recently. What's the answer there?

October 11th, 2009, 03:39 AM	#27
chiefjason Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 230	Bucket snatchers are one thing, but armed perps would be a different story. You want to take the money and run, fine. I'm sure someone, or a few, will be chasing. You pull out a gun and you just really upped the ante. I've made my thoughts known on 3rd party protection before. But I truly feel that in my church, things change. I would be more likely to get involved. Just not sure I could walk out and be OK knowing my lack of involvement meant someone was hurt or killed. That said, I'm checking the congregation to see who is moving or reaching too. We have a lot of cops, but unsure of any real security detail. It was discussed, but I never heard the conclusion.

October 13th, 2009, 04:45 PM	#28
OLDPUPPYMAX Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 70	A majority black city run by the far left for decades and there is a crime problem? Well knock me over with a feather. I assume Mich is a "shall issue" state. CC applications should be FLOODING the state police, just as they are here in Ky. Hussein's only positive accomplishments are huge increases in weapon/ammo sales and CC license applications.