Got asked the Gun In The House ? today - Page 10

hihosilver · October 25th, 2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod

I take a yearly hearing test at my company given by a contractor. Their questionnaire had a couple of questions I didn't much care for or answer about shooting guns. I let them know right off this was not pertinent information and frankly none of their business. The sign up sheets would also lay around on supervisors' desks the previous week with everyone's social security numbers in the open until the paperwork was given to the employee for the test. They don't do either of these things anymore. Now we just go and give our name when entering the testing van.

Sounds like they are fishing for somewhere else to lay the blame in case you damage your hearing at work. Cant you hear the lawyer now. "this form states that you own and shoot firearms, how do we know that you use hearing protection when shooting, etc....
In this day and age, its all about CYA. Thats probably the only reason the doctors ask too. I bet alot of idiots do answer the questions. Just wait until the government gets in the middle of our health system.

Eagleks · October 25th, 2009, 10:54 PM

Just because someone asks a question, doesn't mean you are obigated to answer it. I think it's none of their business and wouldn't answer the question. If it's pertient to the care the physician is considering, I"ll answer it.

I see some dentist forms, where the questions has nothing to do with their job... and don't answer those either.

Crashbox · October 25th, 2009, 11:10 PM

I would answer "Yes, I use it for surveying".

I actually do have a total station instrument for that purpose; they are very commonly referred to as a "gun".

p230 · October 26th, 2009, 11:31 AM

My Dr. asks me everytime I go in. However we do shoot in the same gun club so I guess it is OK! I kind of got lucky there. My kids Pediatrician used to ask and would ask her "Why, you looking to buy one?" We work at the same hospital. Now when we take our kids in for the yearly checkup she just tells the med student taking the info that we have the gun education "covered". By using a bit of humor I was able to at least educate her enough that she doesn't bother us about it. Win Win as far as I was concerned.

64zebra · October 30th, 2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoonee

All this being said, at every adult or pediatric physical I ask if there are firearms in the home.

I feel my job at physicals as your physician is to assess your overall health and try to prevent all the common causes of mortality and morbidity.

In adults I ask the same question for two reasons. First, by law they are responsible for their children's safety. Hence, they need to make sure to secure any weapons they have. Second, up to 7.5% of adult Americans are currently suffering from depression severe enough to effect their ability to function that means at least one adult patient in my average day at the office will be struggling with depression. The number one method of suicide in depressed people is by self inflicted gunshot wounds. If I ask about depression and firearms in adults it is to try and help avoid that outcome.

first, I gotta say I in no way bash Doctors and I'm not bashing you, I respect the heck outta health professionals (I'm married to one). I'm sure you have the best intentions in the world.

IMO, the question on firearms has no merit whatsoever in the Dr's immediate care for a person unless there is a direct link to a firearm in their health issue or if they are discussing things about suicide/depression, etc., otherwise I don't think it should be discussed.
I don't think Drs should be asking these questions because by law the parent's are responsible for their kid's safety/securing guns. This isn't any of the Dr's business. Its none of the Dr's business if I have flood insurance, fire extinguishers, have an alarm system in my house, This info doesn't need to be in a patient's records and it will be if its on the form they fill out.

I deal with suicidal people DAILY on my job. I have to confront them, get them to talk, and evaluate them. I'd venture to guess 99% of them do not use or consider using a firearm in their state of mind. In fact, I've been on suicidal person calls where they had guns in the house but chose pills, their knives/swords, or told us they were going down the street to jump off a bridge. Thinking that finding out if someone has a gun will prevent them from killing themselves is what the Brady bunch has in mind, direct anti-2A thinking. Suicide is suicide and trying to target guns isn't the solution.
Dead is dead, in the words of Archie bunker "Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed outta windows?"

I'm sorry, I just don't think this should be brought up by a Dr unless they are inquiring based on the patient being depressed or exhibiting any signs of suicidal thoughts/tendencies and needing to discuss it.

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Second, as a physician I am an expert in what kills people.

As a cop, I am an expert in what kills people. Other stupid or evil people...sometimes with guns. I have guns, but no stupid or evil people in the house. Therefore, the question is irrelevant.

+1

sometimes with cars, bats, tire irons, box cutters, switchblades, suffocation, fists, feet, shovel, drowning, fire, alcohol, drugs,
I could go on for days

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Originally Posted by lazy

you might want to just tell the DR the truth.
what if the DR was to give you a Med and you had Psycotic reaction?

so they only care in this situation about you having a gun....what about your butcher knife in the kitchen, car, baseball bat, bow & arrows, fence posts, , etc
if they are prescribing medication they are required to inform you of its side effects, which are on the label of the bottle or printed out with the paperwork given with the bottle, again....this specific question isn't needed

Longrider and 2edgesword.....+1

vonMesser · October 30th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Quite simple ----do not answer----telling him to go f---- off would only give him a reply in the positive. Just do not answer you are not perjuring yourself in this case. When I renewed my license in Nassau County NYS---the form asked for any medications you are currently taking---many just answer NO---since the document is Notarized you have committed perjury. In spite of the HIPA law (Federal) which states that this not the business of anyone including the NCPD---they ask it. Not wishing to perjure myself I complied and went through a run around to my Doctor's office for a note and then I was forced to sit in the hallway until the Sarge (OIC) spoke to my Doctor. All in violation of the HIPA law, BTW the NRA did nothing and the NYSRPA did nothing as well, too small chickens for them do ya think?.

"Doc"

sigmanluke · October 30th, 2009, 02:25 PM

Last time I went to visit my doctor, I was carrying, and he didn't care, he was carrying too. I've got a great doctor!

Edit: Nice gun too, he was carrying a Sig P239 Stainless Elite in a CrossBreed Supertuck (the holster I recommended to him), he loves it!

2standupfor · October 30th, 2009, 04:48 PM

Makin a list, checkin it twice, gonna find out whose packin or not. Comin to your home one dayyyyyyyyy!

AHHH the holiday song...

Landor · October 30th, 2009, 05:36 PM

You should of answered with "HELL YES and LOADED".

TnRebel · October 31st, 2009, 10:21 PM

I go to the VA and I have been asked if I was depressed and did I own any firearms. and I answered No to both

October 30th, 2009, 12:29 PM	#96
vonMesser New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 8	Quite simple ----do not answer----telling him to go f---- off would only give him a reply in the positive. Just do not answer you are not perjuring yourself in this case. When I renewed my license in Nassau County NYS---the form asked for any medications you are currently taking---many just answer NO---since the document is Notarized you have committed perjury. In spite of the HIPA law (Federal) which states that this not the business of anyone including the NCPD---they ask it. Not wishing to perjure myself I complied and went through a run around to my Doctor's office for a note and then I was forced to sit in the hallway until the Sarge (OIC) spoke to my Doctor. All in violation of the HIPA law, BTW the NRA did nothing and the NYSRPA did nothing as well, too small chickens for them do ya think?. "Doc" __________________ NRA Endowment Life NYSRPA Life NYSMLA NMLRA

October 30th, 2009, 02:25 PM	#97
sigmanluke Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 1,658	Last time I went to visit my doctor, I was carrying, and he didn't care, he was carrying too. I've got a great doctor! Edit: Nice gun too, he was carrying a Sig P239 Stainless Elite in a CrossBreed Supertuck (the holster I recommended to him), he loves it! __________________ "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

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Landor Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 524	You should of answered with "HELL YES and LOADED". __________________ ---------- CCW Targets

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October 25th, 2009, 10:54 PM	#92
Eagleks Distinguished Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,756	Just because someone asks a question, doesn't mean you are obigated to answer it. I think it's none of their business and wouldn't answer the question. If it's pertient to the care the physician is considering, I"ll answer it. I see some dentist forms, where the questions has nothing to do with their job... and don't answer those either.

October 25th, 2009, 11:10 PM	#93
Crashbox Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lynden, Washington Posts: 24	I would answer "Yes, I use it for surveying". I actually do have a total station instrument for that purpose; they are very commonly referred to as a "gun".

October 26th, 2009, 11:31 AM	#94
p230 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 36	My Dr. asks me everytime I go in. However we do shoot in the same gun club so I guess it is OK! I kind of got lucky there. My kids Pediatrician used to ask and would ask her "Why, you looking to buy one?" We work at the same hospital. Now when we take our kids in for the yearly checkup she just tells the med student taking the info that we have the gun education "covered". By using a bit of humor I was able to at least educate her enough that she doesn't bother us about it. Win Win as far as I was concerned.

October 30th, 2009, 04:48 PM	#98
2standupfor New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 14	Makin a list, checkin it twice, gonna find out whose packin or not. Comin to your home one dayyyyyyyyy! AHHH the holiday song...