Got asked the Gun In The House ? today - Page 6

Tom G · October 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM

Groups like the AMA come out with statements such as they are against guns when actually the majority of the doctors in the group actually feel otherwise. Certain groups seem to make such statements like this with out checking with their members. Unless the doctor is treating you for a gun shot wound your ownership of a gun is none of his or any ones business.

varob · October 8th, 2009, 08:38 PM

Come on guys, we all know that the long list of question you are asked to answer at the doctors office is to eat up some of the godforsaken time you have to wait.

jbum · October 8th, 2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by varob

Come on guys, we all know that the long list of question you are asked to answer at the doctors office is to eat up some of the godforsaken time you have to wait.

Just wait it's fixin to get a whole bunch longer. Talk to our friends north of the border.

Sporty79 · October 8th, 2009, 08:50 PM

Thats odd....what does that have to do with a medical exam??? Do you have children? Still, none of there business....Answer no and save yourself the trouble.

Rugergirl · October 8th, 2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by QKShooter

"On one of the forms it asked me if I had a gun in the house."

I would have answered "NO" and I would have been telling the truth because I do not have "a" gun in the house.

I have a whole bunch of them in the house.

Oh...And...BTW: ~ I have one in your waiting room right now too.

Actually my own Doc is cool on firearms & he has really helped me out with my shooting related Tinnitus.

Priceless, I might have to change my answer after reading this one

MP45Man · October 9th, 2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sporty79

Thats odd....what does that have to do with a medical exam??? Do you have children? Still, none of there business....Answer no and save yourself the trouble.

I have children and no gun is around when I'm not at home. It is locked in a safe and I'm the only one with a combination. That's rare, however. If I'm not home, it is usually with me.

miklcolt45 · October 9th, 2009, 12:04 AM

Spoonee,

Welcome from FL's Space Coast.
I appreciate your perspective and your attitude.

Having said that, there is so much information out there about the negative attitudes of the AMA and many physicians that many of us are going to be VERY suspicious of such a question, unless we have some reason to believe that our physician is actually strongly in favor of the 2nd Amendment. One of our members here (a LEO) had the pediatrician's office saying they would be calling and scheduling for a home visit because they found out that there were guns in the home.

I would also add, will you be asking about many of the other threats to health? In FL, more children drown in buckets than from firearm accidents. Bicycles cause more deaths, etc.

If items which are a greater danger than guns are not part of the questionnaire, I would question just how helpful such an 'intake' at a physical actually is. JMO.

BikerRN · October 9th, 2009, 05:32 AM

I just write "N/A" on the forms when they ask questions that are not pertinent to the issue at hand.

Biker

sheepdog · October 9th, 2009, 08:15 AM

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Second, as a physician I am an expert in what kills people.

As a cop, I am an expert in what kills people. Other stupid or evil people...sometimes with guns. I have guns, but no stupid or evil people in the house. Therefore, the question is irrelevant.

Vtxdpm · October 9th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Maybe I'll just print this out and attach it to any Dr's form that asks me about guns in the house:

Why Doctors Are 9,000 Times More Likely to Accidentally
Kill You Than Gun Owners

A widely publicized report saying that as many as 98,000 people die each year in the United States from medical errors is conservative, and the number is probably much larger than that. The estimate by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) is low because it looked only at deaths of patients at hospitals. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. Janet M. Corrigan is the IOM's director of health care services. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. She told reporters at a Capitol Hill briefing May 8 that the study did not look at medical-error deaths at nursing homes, emergency rooms or in doctors' offices. The mortality estimates are low also because most of the information was based on medical record reviews. Medical errors are a problem that has been hidden from the public for far to long.

Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

From another source:
Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US,
Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year

Journal American Medical Association (JAMA) Vol 284 July 26, 2000: author Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health

DEATHS PER YEAR:

* 12,000 ----unnecessary surgery
* 7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals
* 20,000 ----other errors in hospitals
* 80,000 ----infections in hospitals
* 106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs

These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!! (iatrogenic is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment).

October 8th, 2009, 08:38 PM	#52
varob Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,283	Come on guys, we all know that the long list of question you are asked to answer at the doctors office is to eat up some of the godforsaken time you have to wait. __________________ Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see! -Tony Soprano

October 9th, 2009, 12:04 AM	#57
miklcolt45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida's Space Coast Posts: 2,178	Spoonee, Welcome from FL's Space Coast. I appreciate your perspective and your attitude. Having said that, there is so much information out there about the negative attitudes of the AMA and many physicians that many of us are going to be VERY suspicious of such a question, unless we have some reason to believe that our physician is actually strongly in favor of the 2nd Amendment. One of our members here (a LEO) had the pediatrician's office saying they would be calling and scheduling for a home visit because they found out that there were guns in the home. I would also add, will you be asking about many of the other threats to health? In FL, more children drown in buckets than from firearm accidents. Bicycles cause more deaths, etc. If items which are a greater danger than guns are not part of the questionnaire, I would question just how helpful such an 'intake' at a physical actually is. JMO. __________________ Mike In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.

October 9th, 2009, 05:32 AM	#58
BikerRN VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: State of Discombobulation Posts: 3,778	I just write "N/A" on the forms when they ask questions that are not pertinent to the issue at hand. Biker __________________ If I knew I was going to get in to a gunfight I most ceratinly wouln't bring a handgun or two, and I don't know any smart person that does.

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October 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM	#51
Tom G VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,060	Groups like the AMA come out with statements such as they are against guns when actually the majority of the doctors in the group actually feel otherwise. Certain groups seem to make such statements like this with out checking with their members. Unless the doctor is treating you for a gun shot wound your ownership of a gun is none of his or any ones business.

October 8th, 2009, 08:50 PM	#54
Sporty79 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 205	Thats odd....what does that have to do with a medical exam??? Do you have children? Still, none of there business....Answer no and save yourself the trouble.

October 9th, 2009, 09:12 AM	#60
Vtxdpm Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SC Posts: 109	Maybe I'll just print this out and attach it to any Dr's form that asks me about guns in the house: Why Doctors Are 9,000 Times More Likely to Accidentally Kill You Than Gun Owners A widely publicized report saying that as many as 98,000 people die each year in the United States from medical errors is conservative, and the number is probably much larger than that. The estimate by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) is low because it looked only at deaths of patients at hospitals. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. Janet M. Corrigan is the IOM's director of health care services. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. She told reporters at a Capitol Hill briefing May 8 that the study did not look at medical-error deaths at nursing homes, emergency rooms or in doctors' offices. The mortality estimates are low also because most of the information was based on medical record reviews. Medical errors are a problem that has been hidden from the public for far to long. Number of physicians in the US = 700,000 Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000 Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500 Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. From another source: Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year Journal American Medical Association (JAMA) Vol 284 July 26, 2000: author Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health DEATHS PER YEAR: * 12,000 ----unnecessary surgery * 7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals * 20,000 ----other errors in hospitals * 80,000 ----infections in hospitals * 106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!! (iatrogenic is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment).