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Old October 30th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #11
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Old October 30th, 2009, 07:35 PM   #12
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Proper grip strength. I was taught that isometric tension placed on the front and back of the handle was the best way. Not supposed to squeezed the handle, as that can cause the pistol to twist. The isometric tension theory, if applied correctly, practically eliminates muzzle flip and drives the recoil straight back, rather than up, thus providing a constant sight picture throughout the recoil process.
Can you elaborate on the concept of isometric tension on the front and back of the pistol grip.... or is it really that simple --- push and pull at the same time. Can one do this in any stance?. I tend to use isosceles (well actually my right leg is slightly back as to give me better balance)
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Old October 30th, 2009, 08:10 PM   #13
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Can you elaborate on the concept of isometric tension on the front and back of the pistol grip.... or is it really that simple --- push and pull at the same time. Can one do this in any stance?. I tend to use isosceles (well actually my right leg is slightly back as to give me better balance)
The theory is that you use your body to create a tripod. Kind of like a 3 sided pyramid. You don't squeeze the grip, using the firing hand to push against the back of the grip and the support hand pulls against the front of the grip, there should be very little, if any, tension on the sides.

The isometric tension is obtained in 3 parts. Facing your target in about a 30 degree bladed stance, your body across your shoulders through your torso, creates one side of one triangle, your arms obviously, create the other two sides. That's the first triangle. The second triangle, comes from your firing hand. Slightly bent, your upper arm and forearm become an upside down triangle, with the isometric tension coming from your firing hand against the back of the grip, forms an invisible hypotenuse from your firing hand to your firing shoulder. The 3rd triangle is the key part. Your support elbow drops vertically, this feels strange at first. So, your 3rd triangle forms, again upside down, from your support hand, applying pressure to the front of the grip and an invisible hypotenuse is formed from your hand to your shoulder. It is a very stable platform. If your grip is correct, there shouldn't be any contact between your firing hand palm and the side of the grip, only isometric tension from front to back on the grip.

You'll know when you have it right, when the recoil drives your pistol straight back, instead of up, thus enabling you to stay on target for that second shot. Someone else could probably explain it better and there are many ways to skin a cat. This is just the way I was taught. YMMV
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Old October 31st, 2009, 12:51 AM   #14
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Does grip strength increase pistol recoil management?
Yes, but there are limitations...or up to a certain point.
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Grip strength does help a lot.
It can, yes. Takes a bit of the "shakes" out of it.

I've tried to get comfortable with the "Crush Grip" technique promoted by M. Ayoob, but it's not my cup of tea. For me, at least, I am fairly accurate with either (a) a modified weaver stance/grip with mild-to-moderate force on the grip and lots of repetition, or (b) isosceles stance with moderate force on the grip. Crush grip works fine for awhile, but it punks out fairly quickly. Not so good for range sessions. Fine for short engagements, I suppose. YMMV.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 04:04 AM   #16
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It can, yes. Takes a bit of the "shakes" out of it.

I've tried to get comfortable with the "Crush Grip" technique promoted by M. Ayoob, but it's not my cup of tea. For me, at least, I am fairly accurate with either (a) a modified weaver stance/grip with mild-to-moderate force on the grip and lots of repetition, or (b) isosceles stance with moderate force on the grip. Crush grip works fine for awhile, but it punks out fairly quickly. Not so good for range sessions. Fine for short engagements, I suppose. YMMV.
I agree with everything you have said..... I do think a crush grip is realistic though (and should be practied -- one handed shooting 2 b/c many instincvly shoot this way) as Mas has explained many times your going to have a death grip on your gun unless your a real experienced gun fighter (which I'm deff not and hopefully will stay that way). Either way I think grip strength deff helps when shooting --- I'm happy I finally started lifting!!!
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Well today was the first time I was at the range in 3 months (I know, I know way 2 long -- no excuses) -- anyway I noticed that it was remarkably easier to shoot both my EDC handguns since the last range visit. About the last time I went to the range 3 months ago I started a strength training program (Starting Strength -- Mark Rippetoe – I highly recommend) and I know that my ability to grasp items has gone up significantly... so could that make it easier to control recoil b/c I can squeeze the gun harder/without tiring.... Does this make sense? All I know is that shooting today was much easier --- even shooting .357 magnums from my S&W M&P340 (13.3. oz revolver) wasn't 2 bad today (still painful but I could hold the little cannon in my hand w/o to much muzzle rise and thus get back on target quicker for subsequent shots)... Anyone ever notice this before -- if there is a correlation between forearm strength and recoil management then I just have one more reason to hit the gym. Thoughts???
Shooting, archery, golf and football all have at least one thing in common. If you are fit, you are most likely going to shoot better.
It is not only conditioning but your sense of mind . How you feel effects how you shoot. If you are tired, chances are you will not have a good time at the range. If you are pumped with Adeline, things can be difference each time you shoot for better or for worse. Moderation is recommended and of course practice often.
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Well, I have a set of these in my car that I use on the way to work and the ride back...25 miles one-way. http://flawlessfitnessbook.com/blog/...250&w=250&zc=1

Yes, I think that grip strength is important.
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