matiki

Thanks Ray Ray, that's very helpful.

Superhouse 15

I like the MSI brand stuff because of the container. Most of the stuff that's keychain sized is hard to aim and can activate in your pocket, purse, car, etc. The flip top containers are easy to aim and use, but hard to unintentionally fire. I have no concerns over their quality.
Mace Personal Defense

I just wish they would make the foam/gel in the smaller sizes.

If I was permitted to carry this at work, I would carry this in the left hand pocket of my EMS bag, next to my Surefire.
10% PepperGard Pocket [80171] - $14.95 : Mace Personal Defense

A lot of the nurses at the local ER would carry the Lifeact in their purses or in little "cell phone" cases, if they were allowed to carry OC at the hospital I think I'll end up with one or two for me and the wife, too.

ALWILLIAM

QKShooter

This one never quite made it big in the marketplace.

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Sabre Red...I keep it on my key-ring even though it's a little big. One of the members here, morintp works in a prison environment and highly recommends it so if it's good enough to keep convicts in line, it should serve me well enough. Also comes with an expiration date and it's made in America.

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matiki

Those would be great... too bad!

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

I'm ordering a small sample of each to mess around with and let my wife try shooting. She'll make the final decision, as she should.

Thanks again everyone!

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Bark'n

Fox Labs pepper spray seems to have the strongest concentration 5.3 million SHU (Scoville Heat Units)

A lot of pepper sprays use a 1-2 million SHU formulation.

You can purchase Fox Labs products here and here along with information about Fox Labs pepper spray here.

Another question would be "Do you want a stream or fog spray pattern?" I would recommend a stream pattern as it stands up better in windy conditions and offers less blow back onto the user than the fog patterns do if aren't paying close attention to the wind conditions.

A word of Caution: OC pepper sprays are proven safe with no known adverse reactions. Combination sprays that use OC along with a blend of CN or CS chemical tear gas type products have been known to cause allergic reactions. Also some states such as Michigan, IIRC state it is illegal for civilians to use chemical sprays that contain dye that will stain your assailant for later identification.

Just be sure and use due diligence when you look into buying pepper sprays and check your local laws.

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matiki

Thanks Bark'n... those links are good and your advice to check local laws is sound. I've already looked into the law and I am fortunate to live in a state that is relatively unrestrictive of tasers and sprays.

Does anyone have any information on what % Fox uses... their base SHU numbers are fantastic, more than double Sabre... which I know first hand is mean stuff.


ETA:
I just found out with a quick search...

Sabre Red is 10% concentration of 2,000,000 SHU (200k)
SABRE Red Pepper Sprays:Key Chains Defense Spray - Security Equipment Corporation

Fox is 2% concentration of 5,600,000 SHU (112k)
Pepper Spray


Neither of those are playing around. That's hot as all get out.

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Bark'n

In my "OC Counter Assault Course", it was explained that the main noticeable difference in percentage is the amount of time it takes for "recovery" or the lasting effects. 2% effects wears off quicker than the 5%.

(Whether that is true or not, I have no idea... It's just what our instructor told us during the course. I have not done any independent verification since to me, it's really not a big deal or issue.)

A lot of officers around here tend to go for the 2% since that means less time the perp is going to be sniveling and snotting all over the back of their patrol car and less time listening to them whimper & whine on the way to jail.

The 5% solution is not any hotter or more incapacitating than the 2%. That is measured in Scoville Heat Units.

If pepper spray is going to work at all against an attacker (and there are a number of reasons why it works on some people and not on others) the 2% is just as good as 5% or 10%. All of them, if they do their job will allow someone enough time to escape an attack and find safety or transition to a higher level of force.

Personally, both my wife and I use the Fox Labs because they are the hottest on the market at 5.3 million SHU's

For me, 5.3 million SHU's has a better chance of having an effect on an intoxicated or drugged person than a 1 or 2 million SHU spray. I'd rather have a positive effect for a shorter amount of time than a chance at no effect at all.

Just my rationale, YMMV.

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adaman04

There is OC other than Fox Labs? Not for me or mine, there isn't!