Calling All Christians / Preachers - Page 2

P95Carry · April 4th, 2006, 04:57 PM

I follow no religion but am still a man of many values.

I therefore see the innate right of any and every person to have the means of protection of self and loved ones, anywhere and that includes any house of any God.

Turn that around and I say that I cannot see that any other has any right to be able to attempt the taking of another's life, without accepting the consequences of such action, which may well be the instigation of their own demize. Time and place is inconsequential.

Not trying to butt in - but just giving another brief viewpoint.

czman2006 · April 4th, 2006, 04:58 PM

Jesus did say turn the other cheek but He never said stand there and get your butt kicked.

St Michael · April 4th, 2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dr_cmg

Michael, I don't know, but I may be the only one on the forum besides you that knew that. Being a church history major and theology minor means you read lots of things no one else does. Of course so does being a knowledge sponge, a collector of trivia and other useless information, and a person who is almost always reading something (cereal boxes, telephone books, dictionaries, etc.). I can sometimes tell you where I found the information, but not often. I do not know where I got the info about Eastern Catholics having a married priesthood, but I have known it for at least 20 years.

Thanks for the response and for the quotes. It is good to know that some churches have thought about this and made wise informed decisions about it.

LOL! I'm the same way. I spent a little time outside the Catholic church, seeking and learning, so I know a bit about all the various denominations.

Jack of all trades, master of none, I guess ;-)

dr_cmg · April 4th, 2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by czman2006

Jesus did say turn the other cheek but He never said stand there and get your butt kicked.

My preaching professor at seminary told an interesting story. Evidently he was sort of wild in high school and then during his college years he got saved. From college he went immediately to seminary. At the end of his first semester he went back to his home town in Mississipp for Christmas. An aquaintance from his high school day whom he had not seen since HS had heard about the change in my professor's life and that he was in seminary. When they met the HS aquaintance asked if it was true that Christian were supposed to turn the other cheek. My professor told him yes. The guy slapped him on the left cheek and the prof turned his head so the right cheek was facing the guy. The guy then slapped the right cheek and raised his hand to hit the prof on the left cheek again. When he did that the prof knocked him out. When the guy was able to think clearly again he said, "I thought you were supposed to turn the other cheek." The prof said, "Yeah, but I've only got two cheeks."

He was willing to give him two cheeks, but not willing to be abused. After I heard that story I sort of accepted that as a standard for me too.

Tangle · April 4th, 2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by czman2006

Jesus did say turn the other cheek but He never said stand there and get your butt kicked.

LOL! I agree! Or do nothing and let your family be abused, tortured, raped, or killed.

I can give you one reason to go armed:

Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

This is Jesus speaking to disciples. What was emphasized the most?

I'm just going to add this: This is one of my favorite discussions. I can give a boat load of justification from Luke alone to be armed, not to mention the excellent corporate defense described in detail in Nehemiah.

Gunnutty · April 4th, 2006, 05:32 PM

I am a pastor. I've served as pastor of a country church for the last 21 years. I guess the members are gluttons for punishment to put up with me that long. I carry!!! Many of my members carry. To me there is a difference between suffering for Christs sake and being assaulted. Even when the scriptures speak of turning the other cheek it is talking about personal offense not the jeopardy of your family. I have no desire to shoot anyone, but during my time as pastor I have also worn a deputy sherrifs badge. I preach and teach personal responsibility. This means that breaking God's laws or man's has consequences. I will not go looking for trouble but I believe God gave us the common sense to be prepared.
We are a rural church,andf I've always enjoyed being involved with the young people. At any given time one of the teens will receive a rifle or shotgun as a present. The first place they usually bring it is to church to show it to their pastor. I'm proud of that and knowing that we are continuing a heritage.
The Bible tells me that a good shepherd will give his life for the sheep, but a hireliong flees because he is a hireling. The shepherds of Jesus day had a rod and a staff. Today we have firearms. Wolves come in all shapes and sizes usually when wee least expect them.
Sorry for the ramble...

Tangle · April 4th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Gunnutty,
I finally got that mag in the mail - yesterday. Sorry for being so slow.

Gunnutty · April 4th, 2006, 05:42 PM

No problem my friend we have been so busy we haven't shot the Glock lately any how!!

Tangle · April 4th, 2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunnutty

No problem my friend we have been so busy we haven't shot the Glock lately any how!!

Thanks! That's most gracious.

okcglocker · April 4th, 2006, 06:14 PM

I'm not a pastor either, but I do carry in church. Our church probably has 500 members (as a guess) and I know many other members who carry also.

April 4th, 2006, 04:57 PM	#11
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,339	I follow no religion but am still a man of many values. I therefore see the innate right of any and every person to have the means of protection of self and loved ones, anywhere and that includes any house of any God. Turn that around and I say that I cannot see that any other has any right to be able to attempt the taking of another's life, without accepting the consequences of such action, which may well be the instigation of their own demize. Time and place is inconsequential. Not trying to butt in - but just giving another brief viewpoint. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

April 4th, 2006, 04:58 PM	#12
czman2006 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NC Posts: 552	Jesus did say turn the other cheek but He never said stand there and get your butt kicked. __________________ "Let not your heart be troubled." John 14:1 USN Retired Vietnam/Desert Shield/Desert Storm

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April 4th, 2006, 05:32 PM	#16
Gunnutty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 834	I am a pastor. I've served as pastor of a country church for the last 21 years. I guess the members are gluttons for punishment to put up with me that long. I carry!!! Many of my members carry. To me there is a difference between suffering for Christs sake and being assaulted. Even when the scriptures speak of turning the other cheek it is talking about personal offense not the jeopardy of your family. I have no desire to shoot anyone, but during my time as pastor I have also worn a deputy sherrifs badge. I preach and teach personal responsibility. This means that breaking God's laws or man's has consequences. I will not go looking for trouble but I believe God gave us the common sense to be prepared. We are a rural church,andf I've always enjoyed being involved with the young people. At any given time one of the teens will receive a rifle or shotgun as a present. The first place they usually bring it is to church to show it to their pastor. I'm proud of that and knowing that we are continuing a heritage. The Bible tells me that a good shepherd will give his life for the sheep, but a hireliong flees because he is a hireling. The shepherds of Jesus day had a rod and a staff. Today we have firearms. Wolves come in all shapes and sizes usually when wee least expect them. Sorry for the ramble...

April 4th, 2006, 05:37 PM	#17
Tangle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 5,231	Gunnutty, I finally got that mag in the mail - yesterday. Sorry for being so slow.

April 4th, 2006, 05:42 PM	#18
Gunnutty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 834	No problem my friend we have been so busy we haven't shot the Glock lately any how!!

April 4th, 2006, 06:14 PM	#20
okcglocker New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6	I'm not a pastor either, but I do carry in church. Our church probably has 500 members (as a guess) and I know many other members who carry also.