Open Carry in Ohio - Page 10

Jamie B · October 21st, 2009, 07:16 PM

Deanimator, go pound sand and stir your little pot somewhere else.

BuckeyeEric · October 21st, 2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Faitmaker

@BuckeyEric - Why can't you advocate carrying in a school, but you can a campus? Sounds to me like you start your gun discussion with the idea that guns around children are bad. It's in my holster. Who cares? If I planned to do something to the "children", the law wouldn't matter to me. Take out school restrictions entirely. Better yet. How about letting people be responsible for themselves instead of legislating responsibility?

I believe I was referring to students. My bad!
see post #10 below:

Guns in schools

Also, I forgot to add that schools shall no longer be a CPZ.
-e

BuckeyeEric · October 21st, 2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie B

Deanimator, go pound sand and stir your little pot somewhere else.

Come on Ohio...Can't we all just get along?

Deanimator · October 21st, 2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie B

Deanimator, go pound sand and stir your little pot somewhere else.

Are you an AHSA member or working on their behalf?

Deanimator · October 21st, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeEric

Come on Ohio...Can't we all just get along?

Sure thing. I'm sure all you'll need to do is:

1. Give up your "cop killer bullets".
2. Give up your "hidden guns".
3. Give up your handguns.
4. Give up your "assault weapons".
5. Quit the NRA.
6. Join AHSA.

Majorlk · October 21st, 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie B

The NRA has a history of being too hard line, but at improper times. I am doing this from memory, but Charlton Heston, as I recall, made some very hardcore and inappropriate comments about the scheduled NRA convention in Denver after the Columbine shootings. Years ago, the NRA lost a lot of creditability by fighting the cop-killer bullets, IIRC. The high profile mis-steps were very stupid on their part, and caused a lot of negativity by the liberals. Of course, the liberal press ran with the stories, thank you very much.

Are you referring to the Winchester Black Talon or the KTW? Both were called "cop killers" by the anti-gun press. It was inaccurate in both cases and the ammo in question was restricted to LE sales only. The KTW could defeat the then-available "bullet proof vests", it was not the modern body armor, and the press went ape-crazy with the possibility that the ammo could fall into the "wrong hands". IIRC, no police officers were ever actually shot with either round.

The NRA didn't support a ban because they were both legal ammo produced exclusively for the LE market. KTW decided to go out of business, rather than fight the media lies and Winchester kept selling Black Talons, but a couple of years ago changed the name to Winchester T series. I have a couple of hundred BT in my ammo safe right now.

It interesting that Hollywood continues, on both Law & Order and CSI, to refer to BT as cop killer bullets.

It's hard to believe we have gun owners that continue to swallow the anti-gun media BS on them, much less spread it for them.

Majorlk · October 21st, 2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Deanimator

The above is just more of a continuing pattern of vague accusations, misinformation and error.

Please tell everyone what a "cop killer bullet" is.

Please tell everyone WHAT Charleton Heston allegedly said. Please be specific.

Your posts on this subject a ominously reminiscent of the talking points of AHSA.

Absolutely!!!

Deanimator · October 21st, 2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Are you referring to the Winchester Black Talon or the KTW? Both were called "cop killers" by the anti-gun press. It was inaccurate in both cases and the ammo in question was restricted to LE sales only.

Black Talons weren't LE only. They were just a different design of hollowpoint. They had no special penetrative capabilities. I bought a box of them for my Glock 22. After all of the nonsense propaganda, Winchester dropped the name and slightly changed the design. They live on as the Ranger line.

Like "assault weapon", "cop killer bullet" has no fixed meaning. It means whatever the VPC/Brady/AHSA shill using it wants it to mean at any given instant.

Remember, to Teddy Kennedy, Remington .30-06 softpoints were "cop killer bullets".

unloved · October 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tapout1003

I didn't see any response on my previous post regarding the training problems.

What training problems?

I'm going to quote a post I made in another thread a while back.

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Originally Posted by unloved

I might(probably not) agree with mandatory training if someone could provide one shred of evidence that it accomplishes anything.

Alaska and Vermont don't require a license/permit for concealed carry. They are not the only states that don't require training for concealed carry. I live in Pennsylvania, which is one of the states that doesn't. There are no more firearms related accidents, crimes committed by licensees, incidents of licensees missing their intended targets and hitting innocent bystanders, or 'bad shoots' resulting from ignorance of use of force laws here than in states that do require training.

Mandatory training is an utterly ineffectual 'solution' to a nonexistent problem.

Jamie B · October 21st, 2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Are you referring to the Winchester Black Talon or the KTW? Both were called "cop killers" by the anti-gun press. It was inaccurate in both cases and the ammo in question was restricted to LE sales only. The KTW could defeat the then-available "bullet proof vests", it was not the modern body armor, and the press went ape-crazy with the possibility that the ammo could fall into the "wrong hands". IIRC, no police officers were ever actually shot with either round.

The NRA didn't support a ban because they were both legal ammo produced exclusively for the LE market. KTW decided to go out of business, rather than fight the media lies and Winchester kept selling Black Talons, but a couple of years ago changed the name to Winchester T series. I have a couple of hundred BT in my ammo safe right now.

It interesting that Hollywood continues, on both Law & Order and CSI, to refer to BT as cop killer bullets.

It's hard to believe we have gun owners that continue to swallow the anti-gun media BS on them, much less spread it for them.

I believe that it was originally the KTW, then applied to the Black Talons. I actually have several hundred of the BT in 9mm that I kept - I should just shoot them to get rid of them. I have some Taurus .45 rounds that have very similiar 'petals' as I call them to the BT rounds. The desigh had nothing to do with increased penetration, but the bullet design supposedly enhanced mushrooming, which increased knockdown power through enhanced tissue damage.

I think that the KTW rounds were very pointed, and the assumption was that they would drill right through the body armor.

I do remember that the labels were applied by the liberal press, as you said. No one really ever challenged strongly in the press, or they were ignored. You are correct in that the cop killer label was BS, but still swallowed by non-gun folks.

Jamie

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October 21st, 2009, 07:16 PM	#91
Jamie B Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 97	Deanimator, go pound sand and stir your little pot somewhere else.