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Open Carry Issues & Discussions Discussion regarding open carry in those States where it is legal to do so. This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry.

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Old October 21st, 2009, 11:22 PM   #101
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Are you referring to the Winchester Black Talon or the KTW? Both were called "cop killers" by the anti-gun press.
Oh yes....the anti gun press. What fond memories. Remember Ted Kennedy waiving the FNH FiveSeven pistol on the senate floor calling it a "cop killer"? Of course I had to have one (and still do). It shoots a proprietary shouldered SS190 round that was suppose to defeat all types of body armor. The BATF tested and rated the 190 & 192 rounds as "non AP". But that didn't stop the Anti's.

When Glock was first introduced in the 80's it was stigmatized as being able to defeat metal detectors and x-ray machines in airports.

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Old October 22nd, 2009, 12:14 AM   #102
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Snort! BuckeyeEric, you must be as old as I am!

I remember first hearing about the magic Glocks. Before I knew any details, I remember thinking that the barrels must be steel, so the press had to be bad. I had forgotten about Chappaquidick Ted's antics.

Sorry, but I think that you had asked this earlier - I am south of Columbus.

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Old October 22nd, 2009, 12:04 PM   #103
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I do remember that the labels were applied by the liberal press, as you said. No one really ever challenged strongly in the press, or they were ignored. You are correct in that the cop killer label was BS, but still swallowed by non-gun folks.

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Well from the mis-information in your post, you must have swallowed it too.

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Years ago, the NRA lost a lot of creditability by fighting the cop-killer bullets, IIRC.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 12:25 PM   #104
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Well from the mis-information in your post, you must have swallowed it too.
You have to wonder what thought process results in the conclusion that supporting ADMITTED "BS" would gain an organization "creditability" (sic). And with WHOM???

I suspect that it's no accident that none of my simple questions were answered. That's just not part of the AHSA playbook.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:58 PM   #105
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You have to wonder what thought process results in the conclusion that supporting ADMITTED "BS" would gain an organization "creditability" (sic). And with WHOM???

I suspect that it's no accident that none of my simple questions were answered. That's just not part of the AHSA playbook.
I did not answer your questions as I thought that you were being petty and trying to start a fight for no reason.

And no, I am not an AHSA member - I am quite aware of their actions amd the fact that they wear 2 faces. When you started labeling, without justification, it made me quite angry! 'Nuff said?

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Old October 25th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #106
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Oh yes....the anti gun press. What fond memories. Remember Ted Kennedy waiving the FNH FiveSeven pistol on the senate floor calling it a "cop killer"? Of course I had to have one (and still do). It shoots a proprietary shouldered SS190 round that was suppose to defeat all types of body armor. The BATF tested and rated the 190 & 192 rounds as "non AP". But that didn't stop the Anti's.

When Glock was first introduced in the 80's it was stigmatized as being able to defeat metal detectors and x-ray machines in airports.

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Yeah, I remember all of that crap. What idiot's.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #107
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I did not answer your questions as I thought that you were being petty and trying to start a fight for no reason.

And no, I am not an AHSA member - I am quite aware of their actions amd the fact that they wear 2 faces. When you started labeling, without justification, it made me quite angry! 'Nuff said?

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You made assertions of fact which you refuse to justify. Strangely, an admitted AHSA member is doing PRECISELY the same thing on another forum.

Coincidence?
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Old October 25th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #108
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I posted what I felt, and decided that I did not want to continue a discussion with you since I did not like your approach. You then jump to baseless conclusions and begin throwing labels around since you are obviously living in a paranoid world. Not my problem. I try and be civil, and you cannot let go of your paranoia - you need to seek some serious help there, junior. Make sure that your tin foil hat stays on tightly when you take control of the Enterprise while your are flying home, Scooter.
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I posted what I felt, and decided that I did not want to continue a discussion with you since I did not like your approach. You then jump to baseless conclusions and begin throwing labels around since you are obviously living in a paranoid world. Not my problem. I try and be civil, and you cannot let go of your paranoia - you need to seek some serious help there, junior. Make sure that your tin foil hat stays on tightly when you take control of the Enterprise while your are flying home, Scooter.
I note that you still have not backed up ONE of your accusations regarding the NRA, Charleton Heston or much of anything else. You certainly seem to be able to dish it out, but not take it. You like throwing out a lot of totally unsupported (and unsupportable) "facts", but get mad when they're definitively refuted.

Either admit that what you've said has no basis in fact, or show some proof.

Of course AHSA never does either. It's not in the talking points.

What you've done is the equivalent of me going onto a history site, claiming that George Foreman was the first President of the United States and that the American Legion is a cult of Satanists engaged in a series of ritualistic murders, then getting ANGRY when people rightly refute my statements and demand proof of my assertions.

You made a bunch of claims. You need to defend them or withdraw them. Did you think that you could either make up a bunch of nonsense (or regurgitate it from old AHSA talking points) and people would just smile and nod as you recklessly impugn the reputation of an organization to which many of them belong?

You continue to deal in ad hominems. I'll continue to deal in facts.
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You chose a screen name based on a zombie game based on cosmic horror by an author barely in touch with reality, and I have to answer your questions? I think that I will waste any more time with you, junior. You are way out there where sane folks don't want to be.
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