Deanimator

So then what EXACTLY did Charleton Heston say?

What EXACTLY is a "cop killer bullet"?

What EXACTLY is the "gunshow loophole"?

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unloved

What does this ^nonsense^ have to do with anything? You come across as distinctly anti. Either anti, or you just don't know what you're talking about. Someone asks a few simple questions and you fly off the handle. Why not knock off the obfuscation and answer the questions?

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Deanimator

The choices are:

1. He CAN'T. He doesn't have a clue and is just making things up out of whole cloth.
2. He won't, because to do so would reveal his REAL agenda.

Given the self-admitted presence of AHSA in another group, and their nearly identical talking points, I'm betting on 2.

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OhioPx4Storm

I say don't give a millimeter let alone an inch!

I think the NRA has done a good job if you consider the misinformation that it has had to fight. When the whole liberal media constantly portrays guns as evil and uses terms like "cop killer" bullets to evoke an emotional response from the public that has no knowledge of guns, it is not an easy fight. Terms such as "gun show loophole", "automatic weapons", "assault rifles" and my personal favorite "right wing extremists" are further examples of how the media and the anti's use emotion to frame the argument rather than logic.

Let's not forget that Second Amendment advocates are winning not losing! Check out the latest Gallup Poll:
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As far as having more mandated training for a CHL, I totally disagree. While I think training is a good idea and responsible people will get training, I don't believe that one should be mandated by big brother to get training for a basic human right. When people need to get training to exercise their first amendment right, then let's talk about training for the second amendment. (Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that since we have a socialist for president. I'm sure he is trying to figure a way to take away our first amendment rights too!)

How many reports have you seen about a person not knowing what they are doing while carrying a CHL and a gun? I have seen no such report in Ohio and I'm sure the libs in the media will jump on the story if it ever happens!

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unloved

You sure do sound like one.

Accuse the NRA of being too "hardline"? Check.
Talk about compromise? Check.
Talk about common sense? Check.
Blather about cop killer bullets? Check.
Blather about the mythical gun show loophole? Check.
Talk about how you're a gun owner and carry proponent but ___? Check.
Use ad hominem 'arguments' to avoid stating your true position? Check.

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Majorlk

Add me to the list that thinks Jamie B lacks any kind of credibility. He may be a nice guy, but his posts are pure anti-NRA nonsense.

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Faitmaker

I don't really know why threads seem to finally make their way down to a baseline of labels and accusations. It seems to me that someone comes to a forum to discuss, debate, and learn. If you did not come for that, maybe you shouldn't post. If you feel the need to label, maybe you shouldn't hit submit. We are what we are and I think everyone knows what is what. It generally doesn't take long to figure anything.

The baiting should stop before the thread is closed. And I'm really not sure what someone's "handle" has to do with anything. Mine is based off of a play of words from playing my many online military games (The Maker of Fates - I was/am a hell of a digital sniper. Not to bad with real bullets either.) Does that change who I am or what I discuss on the many forums I run around? I doubt it.

Can we get back to civility and stop the baiting and the subtle jabs?

To be perfectly honest, Jamie, the more people tell me I have to compromise the more I'm ready to lean the other way with more uncommon sense liberties. I can't name to many common sense restrictions that I've ever liked or thought were necessary. Casus Belli.....

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Deanimator

More importantly, can those who make specific assertions back them up with evidence? Apparently not, at least in some cases.

People who aren't willing to back up their claims probably don't make them in good faith in the first place.

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Sportsterguy

Good strategy and the same as mine. I like to have the element of surprize in the unlikely event I'll need it. CC for me.

Go Buckeyes!

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Axeanda45

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder View Post
The only issue that is in the back of my mind if I were to do Open Carry is that if I am in a Stop and Rob and there is a BG that wants to Rob it, is he going to shoot me first and then rob the place since I am an easy Ambush target? I only CCW.



Please, Please, Please, show ONE documented instance of this EVER HAPPENING to a civilian!!!!!!! Please explain how surprise is an element of defense also............. I'm waiting...............