BuckeyeEric

Hmmm... I have CA police academy training and the instructor's quickly recognized that. There were others in the class that had firearm experience as well. They quickly focused their attention on the other, say 5 or 6 that hadn't had a clue.

At the end of the 12 hour course, i can honestly say that the 5 or 6 were completely competent to carry.

Kudos to the NRA certified Instructors!

tapout1003

People that have never handled a firearm can not learn all they need to know in a weekend. If you already have the ability to pass a real written test and a real shooting test then that's fine. A lot of people with valid ohio permits couldn't.

Have you ever spent much time at a public range? I have seen more dangerous activity at the range than I have ever seen in Akron. In fact I have mentioned in the past that I don't know why the people working there don't wear vests.Or maybe at a handgun counter in a gun shop?

Here is my most recent example. I'll make it short. A man at the range last week was trying out his new compact 1911 when I struck up a conversation with him. I noticed he was having an issue and looking at what I expected was a loaded gun like a monkey staring at a math problem. He was turning it all over and pointing it in every direction like he was looking for something. He was having a problem getting the de cocker to work. Yes this man had an ohio permit.



As I stated above I don't want to close the entire gunshow loophole but it would be nice to do what we can guns harder for a criminal to obtain.

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Deanimator

How do you want to do that?

Do you think you're going to be more successful at that than we've been keeping them from getting large quantities of drugs to distribute?

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tapout1003

Well the laws we have now have to have some teeth. How about adding 3 strikes to ohio? How about mandatory prison time for criminals caught with guns ?

I don't know how to solve the entire problem. I just know it is a problem. Some of these "private collection" sellers need to be called what they are, unlicensed gun dealers. I'm not ok with that. If you want to travel and set up a table at every gun show in ohio get a license. Follow the law. Please understand, my problem is not the FTF sale of a gun in ohio. It's people trying to avoid the rules dealers have to follow.

I didn't see any response on my previous post regarding the training problems.

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I asked you what you wanted people to know and how much it should cost them to know it.

Are you saying there should be a training requirement to OWN a gun?

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rmodel65

apparently he doesnt understand its a right not a privilege and it is a fundamental right at that...

'The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects
from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the
reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal
principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty,
and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and
assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote;
they depend on the outcome of no elections.'
Justice Robert H. Jackson
(1892-1954), U. S. Supreme Court Justice
Source: West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette, 1943

no state shall convert a right into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.
-murdok v. pennsylvania, 319 US 105

if the state converts a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity.
-shuttleworth v. city of birmingham alabama 373 US 262

the court is to protect against any encroachment of Constitutionally secure rights
-boyd v. u.s., 116 US 616

where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
-miranda v. arizona, 384 US 436 (1966)

an unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed.
-norton v. shelby county, 118 US 425

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BuckeyeEric

RModel65,
Very good civics refresher!
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DWeezy

Here we go with more rules. There are a lot of people out there that have a drivers license that can't drive for crap. They won't even take there drivers license away. So why should they be able to make more rules governing something that is a God Given Right.

Faitmaker

This has been bothering me for some time. Class D is for the sale of Liquor. This wouldn't cover beer as I understand it. Class D establishments must post, in view, the Federal sign making firearms verboten. Chipotle isn't posted as a Class D should be and they don't sell anything but beer for consumption. I'm thinking I can carry there.

Unfortunately, I can't find a license they would have for beer if D doesn't cover it, but again.. they should have the standard sign you see in all bars, and they don't.

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Deanimator

I think they also sell wine coolers and or some kind of pre-mixed margarita. It's basically an undecided issue at this point, as I don't know of a case that's gun to trial over the matter.

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