tapout1003

"apparently he doesnt understand its a right not a privilege and it is a fundamental right at that..."

It is not a right for ALL people. Some people made poor choices in life and decided to give up some of their rights. That's my point.

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tapout1003

Yes. Enforce the laws we have and I'm saying we need stiffer penalties for criminals. Look guys don't misunderstand me. I'm all for the ideas this country was built on. But sadly we as a nation have abandoned those ideas. Now we're left to make the best of what we have.

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Faitmaker

I'm not going to quote everyone. You know who I am replying to.

@everyone - Can we all stop calling it the "gunshow loophole". It is not a loophole at gunshows. Private sales are allowed anywhere and if a guy has a private collection not subject to FFL logging, he can make a sale at a gunshow without a background check. He is not a dealer. If a dealer sells a gun to an individual without a background check, it is not a loophole. He broke the law. It is illegal. No new controls need implemented and calling it the "GSL" just lends credence to *******.. I mean Bloomberg's campaign.

@Jamie - In regards to the NRA doesn't give an inch... As firearm owners, we are asked to make “compromises.” Explain what is “giving an inch” about being pushed back from the free exercise of our liberties for the past 75 years? With each new circumscription of our unalienable rights, we backed up, grumbling. “Civility” has gotten us nowhere, nor has expecting the rule of law and electoral politics to save us. However, if the rule of law and the Constitution no longer protect us, they no longer protect those who have been stealing our liberty, our property and our children's futures either. Casus Belli... not another inch. BTW, I'm thinking GOA is a better organization. The NRA actually has a bad habit about compromising. When they actually start enforcing the laws and punishing the criminals... then we can talk about common sense.

@Deanamintor... I think tapout1003 was talking about CCW with the license and training thing. Obviously Ohio doesn't license for OC. Confusing since this is about OC.

@tapout1003 - What is enough and who decides? Ohio's requirements are good enough and I'm hoping HR 127 (I think) passes allowing no licensing for CCW at all. My pistols don't have decockers so if I purchased a gun that did, I might be looking like that too... safely of course... never violating the 4 rules.

@BuckeyEric - Why can't you advocate carrying in a school, but you can a campus? Sounds to me like you start your gun discussion with the idea that guns around children are bad. It's in my holster. Who cares? If I planned to do something to the "children", the law wouldn't matter to me. Take out school restrictions entirely. Better yet. How about letting people be responsible for themselves instead of legislating responsibility?

@rmodel65 - 2A currently doesn't apply to the states (even though it should if the rest do) and since we are discussing Ohio doesn't apply here. Ohio's constitutional acknowledgment to the right to self defense does apply here though.

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Deanimator

Do you agree with the proposition that "giving up" some of those rights MUST be by virtue of a proper judicial finding?

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The way he constructed his statement makes it unclear what he wants. I went back and looked at it at least three times while writing my reply. That's why I ASKED him what he meant.

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rmodel65

yea the 2A doesnt apply but it the right exists without the 2A the right could even apply thru the 9th amendment...

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define inalienable:

Main Entry: in·alien·able
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)i-ˈnāl-yə-nə-bəl, -ˈnā-lē-ə-nə-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: probably from French inaliénable, from in- + aliénable alienable
Date: circa 1645

: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred <inalienable rights>

— in·alien·abil·i·ty \-ˌnāl-yə-nə-ˈbi-lə-tē, -ˌnā-lē-ə-nə-\ noun

— in·alien·ably \-ˈnāl-yə-nə-blē, -ˈnā-lē-ə-nə-\ adverb

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Jamie B

Faitmaker-

Do not confuse compromise with loss - compromise is voluntary (usually calculated), and a pure loss is not. My point is that we need to pick and choose our battles. Not every issue needs to be addressed, just the important ones.

The NRA has a history of being too hard line, but at improper times. I am doing this from memory, but Charlton Heston, as I recall, made some very hardcore and inappropriate comments about the scheduled NRA convention in Denver after the Columbine shootings. Years ago, the NRA lost a lot of creditability by fighting the cop-killer bullets, IIRC. The high profile mis-steps were very stupid on their part, and caused a lot of negativity by the liberals. Of course, the liberal press ran with the stories, thank you very much.

I think that politicians are more concerned about the opinions (and votes) of the hunters in our population rather than the NRA. The NRA carries a radical right-wing label for many, and supporting hunters is much safer for politicians. For a country with a population of 310,000,000, the 4,000,000 membership of the NRA is quite low. When you see pictures of Democratic presidential candidates trying to woo the gunners, they are always hunting and not standing in front of an NRA banner!

I have joined the NRA twice over man years - both times I dropped out after 1 year. I was sick of receiving mail several times per week claiming that everything was a crisis, and more money would fix the problem. The onslaught of mail was worse that of an online religious cult! Then they put Charlton Heston in - at that point in his life he needed to not speak to anyone in public, let alone for the NRA. He struck me as a perfect example of 'power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

And, Faitmaker, the NRA actually does nothing directly. The work through their own lobbyists to try and sway lawmaker's opinions. If you have issues with losses, address them with your representatives.

Rant is over, and sorry to the OP for the thread drift.

Jamie

Jamie B

And for all you Ohio boys, we could get together in a central location for lunch, and haggle all of this directly, eh!?

If we are, we should take that offline. Let me know.

Jamie

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The above is just more of a continuing pattern of vague accusations, misinformation and error.

Please tell everyone what a "cop killer bullet" is.

Please tell everyone WHAT Charleton Heston allegedly said. Please be specific.

Your posts on this subject a ominously reminiscent of the talking points of AHSA.

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