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Open Carry Issues & Discussions Discussion regarding open carry in those States where it is legal to do so. This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry.

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Old September 30th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #11
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They are two different things, in OR, like most places.

One may openly carry anywhere, except for where it's been posted by a municipality, county or agency.

One may carry concealed only with a CHL, which generally exempts a person from statutes that otherwise disallow a person from carrying in a place. Same as in most states I'm aware of.
Did you not know? OR law is preempted for state license holders. CHL holders are exempted from local gun restrictions such as those in Portland, Beaverton, Tigard, Oregon City, Salem, and Independence. Anyone with a CHL can legally OC in those cities.

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Old September 30th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #12
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Denver, Oregon?

insert :hijacksmiley: here
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:17 PM   #13
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Did you not know? OR law is preempted for state license holders. CHL holders are exempted from local gun restrictions such as those in Portland, Beaverton, Tigard, Oregon City, Salem, and Independence. Anyone with a CHL can legally OC in those cities.

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Yes, I know.

We're talking at cross purposes, I think, missing what the other is saying. I simply originally said that some of the larger towns in Oregon do the same thing as Denver, banning the carry of firearms. Yes, the preemption I mentioned does exist in Oregon and does apply to CHL holders. The same preemption has no bearing on open carrying (without a CHL). But of course, this is all in Oregon and of no relevance to Colorado.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #14
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But of course, this is all in Oregon and of no relevance to Colorado.
I was just poking fun and didn't mean anything personal. Don't wanna become the final square in Miggy's Mod Bingo for September
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Old September 30th, 2009, 09:18 PM   #15
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I was just poking fun and didn't mean anything personal. Don't wanna become the final square in Miggy's Mod Bingo for September
Xader ... tinkerin ...? Change of personality, is it?


We've only got a couple hours to go, if September it is.

Hm. How to tick off the moderators in 6hrs. Hm, indeed. As the Wicked Witch o' the West said, "These things must be done delicately!"
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A CO State sumpreme court ruling in 2004 left our excellent premption law in shambles. They comprimised on OC and were told to leave CCW alone. Meyers was the judge (supreme court chief justice).
Not quite. Judge Meyer was a District Court Judge when he made the 2004 decision. When it percolated up to the Colorado State Supreme Court, by then one of the justices was the person that argued the case for the state and recused. The 3-3 split in the State Supreme Court in 2006 left the Meyer decision standing.

The state "shall-issue" reforms enacted in 2003 included state pre-emption of local laws. Denver said "we get to keep our laws that differ from the state's" and so Denver and Colorado instantly sued each other. The result was the Meyer decision, which was a compromise execrated by both parties to the lawsuits.

The decision left the state's CC laws and carry of loaded handgun in vehicles (by anyone who can own a handgun) in place everywhere, including within Denver; Denver got to keep its firearm safety-lock law, some assault weapon nonsense, and prohibition of open carry.
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Not quite. Judge Meyer was a District Court Judge when he made the 2004 decision. When it percolated up to the Colorado State Supreme Court, by then one of the justices was the person that argued the case for the state and recused. The 3-3 split in the State Supreme Court in 2006 left the Meyer decision standing.

The state "shall-issue" reforms enacted in 2003 included state pre-emption of local laws. Denver said "we get to keep our laws that differ from the state's" and so Denver and Colorado instantly sued each other. The result was the Meyer decision, which was a compromise execrated by both parties to the lawsuits.

The decision left the state's CC laws and carry of loaded handgun in vehicles (by anyone who can own a handgun) in place everywhere, including within Denver; Denver got to keep its firearm safety-lock law, some assault weapon nonsense, and prohibition of open carry.
Have you read the assualt weapon laws in Denver?? It's really wacked-out!! They were required to go to a mag size limit to qualify a rifle as an assualt weapon. It's really confusing on purpose. Rumor is that they will try to confiscate your weapon and keep it. Make it so expensive to fight that you'll give up.
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In WV we have a small handful of towns that have grandfathered OC bans. These were not eliminated by the recent CCW law.
Strong preemption is needed so you don't take an OC stroll down the street and end up a felon.
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Xader ... tinkerin ...? Change of personality, is it?
Dont look at me! i think I know all of my personalities, and that isn't one of them!

Just making sure you knew about the preemp (couldn't imagine you didn't).

But yeah, sorry 'bout the hijack!
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