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Open Carry Issues & Discussions Discussion regarding open carry in those States where it is legal to do so. This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry.

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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:13 PM   #31
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The argument about criminals targeting a guy with an openly displayed gun doesn't mean that bad guys will be more likely to target him for robbery. The thinking is that if criminals come into a place (bank, convenience store, etc.) with the intent to rob the place and notice an armed customer, they may just shoot him first, before they even announce the robbery, and before the armed customer is aware enough to draw, whereas a customer in the same place carrying concealed would have the element of surprise going for him, and might have a better chance of defending himself and others.
I'm still waiting for a proven example of this actually happening. I am unaware that any such example has ever been published.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM   #32
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OC might not necessarily make you a target, but you certainly lose the element of surprise.
True, but that's a different issue.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 05:47 PM   #33
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Open carry is not for me, but I am thankful to the people that do it. For the most part, I consider people who open carry to be heroes of the 2nd ammendment. Especially those that open carry in places like California.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #34
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I'm still waiting for a proven example of this actually happening. I am unaware that any such example has ever been published.
Yep. I've had a standing challenge for anyone to produce ten verifiable accounts of this happening in ANY of the 50 states at ANY time during the last 50 years.

Nothing but crickets so far.

At any rate, you say you're 18? Please remember what I said about how others will perceive you, whether their perception is accurate or not doesn't matter. A crusty old codger with a clean shave and an OC sidearm is "automatically" a strict, old school, law-abiding citizen. A teenager with an OC is "automatically" a trouble-making thug.

This shouldn't make your decision for you, but it must be taken into consideration so that you're prepared for it if you DO open carry.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 01:53 AM   #35
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I really wish folks would fact check and quit spreading the "you will be targeted lie". It is a myth unfounded in fact at best a fear mongering lie at worst. We did a rather long thread of folks both pro and anti OC looking for examples of someone anyone being targeted or having their gun taken away because they OC'ed. In months of searches no one was able to find one incident of it occurring. Not one single incident was found NONE. If it has ever happened there would be some news story some where, some verifiable evidence that it had happened but there is none. I can however find evidence of someone who carried concealed who had their gun taken away.

So based on verifiable evidence you are at least 100% more likely to have your gun taken away and targeted for a crime if you carried concealed than if you carry open. Can you be targeted or have your gun taken away because you open carry? Of course but it is less likely than being hit by satellite debris on sunny day. At least that we know can happen, because it has.

Another fact is the reason people are required to obtain concealed weapons permits and NOT open carry permits is back when they were enacted those that carried concealed were perceived as being cowardly sneaks and likely to be unsavory individuals. Why else would they want to hide their gun if not to set someone up or trick them into thinking that they were unarmed? For that reason those that wanted to carry concealed needed to be vetted. Which is how concealed weapons permits came about.

Fact is I do not want to blast some thug away, as much as they may deserve it. I do not want to be the one to do it. As far as I am concerned the ONLY gun fight I will ever win is the one I am not in. According to every study ever done criminals prefer unarmed prey. They prefer to get what they want and get away. Not get shot, killed or apprehended. I see no point in walking around looking like potential prey so I can get the chance to play hero and blast a bad guy. Since my safety and the safety of my loved ones is the ONLY reason I carry this chunk of metal and polymer, I prefer to OC when ever appropriate and possible let the bad guy know that they probably want to go look for prey elsewhere, where their chances of success are greater.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 11:16 AM   #36
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This argument to me is like the caliber wars.

Here is my totally unsupported belief (so don't ask me for proof. )

I think that the vast majority of your bad guys want easy pickin's.

If they want to grab a purse, commit a robbery, commit a rape, they will pick someone not aware of their surroundings and not armed. They want sheep not sheep dogs.

If they walk into a bank and see someone wearing a gun, I think they will most likely turn around and leave. But, what if they walk into a bank, announce a robbery, THEN see your gun? Could get messy.

ALSO, it is also possible that if you wear a gun openly, you may run into a complete knuckle dragging bad dude, crackhead, who would blast you as the first target.

Bottom line, you need to understand the risks and advantages of everything you do.

Then, pick your poison and go for it with your eyes open.

That's all I got to say about that!
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Old October 12th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #37
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Please stop over at Michigan Open Carry, Inc. and check out the info. There are several people who are involved with the promotion of OC. There is info regarding the legality of it along with several stories good and bad of people OCing in Michigan.
Also there are always OC events happening that you may want to check out to get a feel for it.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 01:09 PM   #38
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This actually changes things.

OC every waking moment that you are legally able. Due to the law stating that you are not mature enough to conceal a firearm, but mature enough to carry one (gotta love legal logic), you should carry the only way you are "allowed".
Just what Glock30owner said above.

I also want to add; You are also old enough to take some defensive handgun training clinics. I am a big proponent of TRAINING!
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Old October 12th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #39
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Old October 12th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #40
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This argument to me is like the caliber wars.
Not really. Caliber wars at least have data to support certain claims.
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