Should I Open Carry? - Page 6

miklcolt45 · October 14th, 2009, 10:23 AM

I think the other issue in this is how LE responds where you are.

The law may be on your side; that doesn't mean that all LEOs know the law, or don't have negative opinions, or don't have a chief/supervisor who encourages them to bust the chops of legal gun owners.

As has been mentioned, go to the MI open carry site and get some input from them. Attitudes of LEOs may be the most important thing for you to know about.

Majorlk · October 14th, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by miklcolt45

I think the other issue in this is how LE responds where you are.

The law may be on your side; that doesn't mean that all LEOs know the law, or don't have negative opinions, or don't have a chief/supervisor who encourages them to bust the chops of legal gun owners.

As has been mentioned, go to the MI open carry site and get some input from them. Attitudes of LEOs may be the most important thing for you to know about.

And it will take multiple lawsuits, like the one in New Mexico, before this stops.

Metro 40 · October 14th, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LongRider

Again it is a Myth or a Lie that you will be targeted for a crime or will have your gun taken away just because you open carry.
Can it happen of course it can, and Obama could become a great president, an advocate of the second amendment

Apparently, they have changed the definition of the words "myth" and "lie" while I slept last night.

I posted an article with 2 such occasions of open carriers in GUN SHOPS being targeted and disarmed. Hardly the stuff of mythology. Someone else posted an account of someone being disarmed and having their own gun pointed at them. A lie?

It can happen. It has happened. And if open carry every becomes as widespread as its advocates wish for, it will happen again. There are a large percentage of criminals that aren't particulalry impressed by an openly carried piece. To think that criminals, many who are under the influence of mind-altering substances or just plain mentally ill, make reasoned and rational decisions regarding their self-preservation....well, that just defies logic.

What the Brady bunch has to do with any of this is beyond me, but thanks for bringing them up. I never said that open carry should be banned, illegal, etc. I just pointed out that thinking that you are safe from a gun grab because such a thing is a "myth" or a "lie" is ludicrous. It can happen. In fact....I'd wager that it's a lot more likely to happen than obama ever becoming something even remotely resembling a good president.

I'll defend your right to open carry, but that doesn't mean that I'll go along with you in pretending that open carry is the perfect option because bad things "can't happen." An openly carried gun is not the magic talisman that some seem to think it is. People who are considering carry methods deserve to hear all sides.

paramedic70002 · October 15th, 2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefjason

Most OC'ers do use some form of retention holster.

I could almost agree with you if you agree that a tight fitting open top holster constitutes retention (I think it does).

OTOH I've seen OCers with an Uncle Mike's. That strap may keep your gun from falling out on the roller coaster, but it won't do much for a gun grab, not will any other simple snap closure.

LongRider · October 17th, 2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Metro 40

I posted an article with 2 such occasions of open carriers in GUN SHOPS being targeted and disarmed. Hardly the stuff of mythology. Someone else posted an account of someone being disarmed and having their own gun pointed at them. A lie?

It can happen. It has happened.

I never said it could not happen in fact I have said just the opposite in everyone of my posts. Of course it can happen. I addition to my own searches, after months of searching no one on the forum was able to find a single verifiable incident of it occurring. Which has led me to conclude it is a myth, as far as it having actually happen. So please send me a link the news story. Not like I have not been mistaken before. That said I would not allow that to be a reason to dissuade from OC'ing. The same can to those that CC as well.

Bart · October 25th, 2009, 08:23 PM

If you open carry and someone doesn't like it, (or you) all they have to do is give an anonymous phone call to the police dept., give your description, make of car you drive & license plate number, etc. and claim that you have a gun and you threatened them or are threatening others with it. (whether you did or not) The police will arrest you when they arrive on the scene if you have a gun on your person (concealed or OC) simply because of the call. The person who made the phony call doesn't even have to be there or give his or her name. And, if some low-life or just plain anti gunner sees you with the gun, they can call the police and say that you threatened them with it, just to spite you and cause you a lot of misery. Unless you have sufficient witnesses that you are not guilty of the phony call or accusation of any present accuser, you will be arrested. Be assured that it will cost you an arm & leg for attorneys fees to be acquitted of the lie, simply because it's procedure . ($10,000 average) Something to think about.

rmodel65 · October 25th, 2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bart

If you open carry and someone doesn't like it, (or you) all they have to do is give an anonymous phone call to the police dept., give your description, make of car you drive & license plate number, etc. and claim that you have a gun and you threatened them or are threatening others with it. (whether you did or not) The police will arrest you when they arrive on the scene if you have a gun on your person (concealed or OC) simply because of the call. The person who made the phony call doesn't even have to be there or give his or her name. And, if some low-life or just plain anti gunner sees you with the gun, they can call the police and say that you threatened them with it, just to spite you and cause you a lot of misery. Unless you have sufficient witnesses that you are not guilty of the phony call or accusation of any present accuser, you will be arrested. Be assured that it will cost you an arm & leg for attorneys fees to be acquitted of the lie, simply because it's procedure . ($10,000 average) Something to think about.

this is why you carry a voice recorder, and a phone call doesnt give them PC to stop afaik

Bart · October 25th, 2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rmodel65

this is why you carry a voice recorder, and a phone call doesnt give them PC to stop afaik

How many carry voice recorders everywhere they go? Anytime and anywhere a call is made that someone is being threatened with a gun the police respond. If you and your car fit the description they will stop you. Laws and police procedure vary, I'm just saying that these things DO HAPPEN and the probable consequences are something to think about, especially if you OC. There are a lot of nasty vindictive people out there, social character and integrity is not the mainstream today, to say the least.

rmodel65 · October 26th, 2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bart

How many carry voice recorders everywhere they go? .

<------raises hand

gottabkiddin · October 26th, 2009, 03:12 PM

If it was me, I'd rather be under the radar instead of smack in the middle of it....

October 14th, 2009, 10:23 AM	#51
miklcolt45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida's Space Coast Posts: 2,177	I think the other issue in this is how LE responds where you are. The law may be on your side; that doesn't mean that all LEOs know the law, or don't have negative opinions, or don't have a chief/supervisor who encourages them to bust the chops of legal gun owners. As has been mentioned, go to the MI open carry site and get some input from them. Attitudes of LEOs may be the most important thing for you to know about. __________________ Mike In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.

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October 25th, 2009, 08:23 PM	#56
Bart Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 337	If you open carry and someone doesn't like it, (or you) all they have to do is give an anonymous phone call to the police dept., give your description, make of car you drive & license plate number, etc. and claim that you have a gun and you threatened them or are threatening others with it. (whether you did or not) The police will arrest you when they arrive on the scene if you have a gun on your person (concealed or OC) simply because of the call. The person who made the phony call doesn't even have to be there or give his or her name. And, if some low-life or just plain anti gunner sees you with the gun, they can call the police and say that you threatened them with it, just to spite you and cause you a lot of misery. Unless you have sufficient witnesses that you are not guilty of the phony call or accusation of any present accuser, you will be arrested. Be assured that it will cost you an arm & leg for attorneys fees to be acquitted of the lie, simply because it's procedure . ($10,000 average) Something to think about.