Gun Bearer Has Pointed Discussion With Police Officer - Page 11

JD · October 20th, 2009, 05:00 PM

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§ 14‑277.2. Weapons at parades, etc., prohibited.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon. Violation of this subsection shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor. It shall be presumed that any rifle or gun carried on a rack in a pickup truck at a holiday parade or in a funeral procession does not violate the terms of this act.

(b) For the purposes of this section the term "dangerous weapon" shall include those weapons specified in G.S. 14‑269, 14‑269.2, 14‑284.1, or 14‑288.8 or any other object capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death when used as a weapon.

(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to a person exempted by the provisions of G.S. 14‑269(b) or to persons authorized by State or federal law to carry dangerous weapons in the performance of their duties or to any person who obtains a permit to carry a dangerous weapon at a parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration from the sheriff or police chief, whichever is appropriate, of the locality where such parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration is to take place. (1981, c. 684, s. 1; 1983, c. 633; 1993, c. 412, s. 2; c. 539, s. 174; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1997‑238, s. 4.)

Interesting...

BuckeyeEric · October 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bwhunter65

found the guy that took the video on another forum he new it was a protest he went there to protest with them. And plans on going there again see if he takes his gun he was told he was breaking the law by being there with a weapon. His attitude was he would go to court to prove he can carry.

Thats Great! We need more court precedence!

bwhunter65 · October 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM

thanks for posting the NC law I think there was an update to that it mentions abortion clinics but haven't found it.

jbum · October 20th, 2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bwhunter65

found the guy that took the video on another forum he new it was a protest he went there to protest with them. And plans on going there again see if he takes his gun he was told he was breaking the law by being there with a weapon. His attitude was he would go to court to prove he can carry.

Will you provide that link please.

dougwg · October 21st, 2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jbum

Will you provide that link please.

Harassed at abortion clinic for OC'ing - North Carolina - Stories From The States - OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum

rmodel65 · October 21st, 2009, 12:53 AM

they had no signs looks like they are not protesting thats why he asked if they were just lawfully assembled....

a lot of these southern states have laws against having weapons at demonstrations because of the move to disarm black men... http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/wp-c...a-gun-laws.pdf

dougwg · October 21st, 2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rmodel65

they had no signs looks like they are not protesting thats why he asked if they were just lawfully assembled....

a lot of these southern states have laws against having weapons at demonstrations because of the move to disarm black men... http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/wp-c...a-gun-laws.pdf

Nearly ALL gun laws are based in racism.

chiefjason · October 21st, 2009, 04:19 AM

a) It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration UPON any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon. Violation of this subsection shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor. It shall be presumed that any rifle or gun carried on a rack in a pickup truck at a holiday parade or in a funeral procession does not violate the terms of this act.

JD, interesting indeed. I quoted that to him on OCDO. He is resting a lot of his case on the word upon. As in he is not upon the clinic property. I'm all for my rights, but not sure that's the battle I would fight.

I have heard that this is directly related to abortion clinics when they reference private healthcare facility as well.

And Going Armed to the Terror of the People is not the be all, end all, catch all, boogie man charge that it's hyped up to be on the net. I have seen it charged once as a stand alone offense. And that was for discharging a firearm. It's generally charged in connection with other crimes. Or quoted to scare folks off of OC.

The 3 uniformed officers I have encountered while OC'ing in Hickory, NC have not charged me. The 2 off duty in the gun shop tonight that I OC'd to did not mention it. I had lengthy encounters with all of them. None of the conversation even related to my OC'ing. Except the Trooper that let me know he supported my right to carry.

Could have gone better for both sides. Wondering if they both don't wish they could get a redo on a few things.

bwhunter65 · October 21st, 2009, 09:44 AM

Well the law if vague at best doesn't say you have to be at the clinic. a protest or assembly is what it is no matter were you are they have the right to have a quite assembly but he doesn't have the right to be there with a gun. If he has the money and time to go to court more power to him. But if he runs at the mouth to a judge he might just piss him off enough to find him guilty and again if he has the time and money to go to an appeal more power to him. If he wants to police the cops then he needs to do it right and not break a law he could of left his gun in the car while at the assembly. he was there to to support them. not posting the link doug posted it already.

Eagleks · October 21st, 2009, 07:47 PM

I think the guy is a total moron.... at an abortion clinic, where police are there, not harrassing but following up on a trespassing complaint. The guy wanted to get into a confrontation with the Police. The question on age by the LEO, was correct... he was determining if the guy was old enough to carry a gun. A legtimate question.

I was stopping by a car dealer various times to wheel and deal on a car, and across the street..... was an abortion clinic and protestors. The ANTI-abortion folks were confrontational, aggressive to say the least, and in the middle of me for parking my car there (legally parked on the street by the car dealer). I had 2 kids with me and they got extremely nasty about "moving my car" ...... to the point (1) I felt definitely threatened , and (2) it is was waaaay out line let alone with kids there , (3) made me wonder who they think they are.

I finally told tell them what I thought of them... in no uncertain terms.......that I was not moving the car, and I called the police telling them my well-being was being threatened, accosted, etc.

With the violence that has occurred related to abortion clinics, etc.... I think any LEO would be skeptical of anyone there with a gun....

October 21st, 2009, 12:53 AM	#106
rmodel65 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: brunswick Posts: 477	they had no signs looks like they are not protesting thats why he asked if they were just lawfully assembled.... a lot of these southern states have laws against having weapons at demonstrations because of the move to disarm black men... http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/wp-c...a-gun-laws.pdf __________________ S&W M&P40 Kel-tec p11 CZ-52 www.georgiacarry.org member

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October 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM	#103
bwhunter65 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NC Posts: 43	thanks for posting the NC law I think there was an update to that it mentions abortion clinics but haven't found it.

October 21st, 2009, 04:19 AM	#108
chiefjason Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 234	a) It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration UPON any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon. Violation of this subsection shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor. It shall be presumed that any rifle or gun carried on a rack in a pickup truck at a holiday parade or in a funeral procession does not violate the terms of this act. JD, interesting indeed. I quoted that to him on OCDO. He is resting a lot of his case on the word upon. As in he is not upon the clinic property. I'm all for my rights, but not sure that's the battle I would fight. I have heard that this is directly related to abortion clinics when they reference private healthcare facility as well. And Going Armed to the Terror of the People is not the be all, end all, catch all, boogie man charge that it's hyped up to be on the net. I have seen it charged once as a stand alone offense. And that was for discharging a firearm. It's generally charged in connection with other crimes. Or quoted to scare folks off of OC. The 3 uniformed officers I have encountered while OC'ing in Hickory, NC have not charged me. The 2 off duty in the gun shop tonight that I OC'd to did not mention it. I had lengthy encounters with all of them. None of the conversation even related to my OC'ing. Except the Trooper that let me know he supported my right to carry. Could have gone better for both sides. Wondering if they both don't wish they could get a redo on a few things.

October 21st, 2009, 09:44 AM	#109
bwhunter65 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NC Posts: 43	Well the law if vague at best doesn't say you have to be at the clinic. a protest or assembly is what it is no matter were you are they have the right to have a quite assembly but he doesn't have the right to be there with a gun. If he has the money and time to go to court more power to him. But if he runs at the mouth to a judge he might just piss him off enough to find him guilty and again if he has the time and money to go to an appeal more power to him. If he wants to police the cops then he needs to do it right and not break a law he could of left his gun in the car while at the assembly. he was there to to support them. not posting the link doug posted it already.

October 21st, 2009, 07:47 PM	#110
Eagleks Distinguished Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,756	I think the guy is a total moron.... at an abortion clinic, where police are there, not harrassing but following up on a trespassing complaint. The guy wanted to get into a confrontation with the Police. The question on age by the LEO, was correct... he was determining if the guy was old enough to carry a gun. A legtimate question. I was stopping by a car dealer various times to wheel and deal on a car, and across the street..... was an abortion clinic and protestors. The ANTI-abortion folks were confrontational, aggressive to say the least, and in the middle of me for parking my car there (legally parked on the street by the car dealer). I had 2 kids with me and they got extremely nasty about "moving my car" ...... to the point (1) I felt definitely threatened , and (2) it is was waaaay out line let alone with kids there , (3) made me wonder who they think they are. I finally told tell them what I thought of them... in no uncertain terms.......that I was not moving the car, and I called the police telling them my well-being was being threatened, accosted, etc. With the violence that has occurred related to abortion clinics, etc.... I think any LEO would be skeptical of anyone there with a gun....