madecov

I own Peerless, Hiatts and ASP all have served me well. The Hiatts and Peerless have a similar double lock and the ASP has a S&W style lock. I've gotten used to the peerless style so I stick them and the Hiatts.

I also have an old set of American cuffs that were marketed as Juvenile cuffs. I have yet to have any female slip out of these. They close down to about 3/4" diameter and open up almost as large as a set of oversized cuffs.

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...and when the pros come, there'll be at least two of them.

They'll probably secure YOUR weapon, and then one of them will cover the BG with a weapon while the other cuffs him in the prone position.

Trying to handcuff someone with a gun in your hand is downright suicidal. And if you had a good reason to draw down on them in the first place, you shouldn't leave them unguarded (i.e., not at gunpoint) in order to cuff them.

It's a conundrum for which you, as an individual (all ONE of you, without trained backup), have no practical solution.

rocky

Sgt Mac and .02 are exactly right . LEO's are trained how to cuff people and look how many times they have to pile on someone resisting to get em cuffed.
It looks simple in the movies , but real life it is much harder .

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I could probably tell you how to get out of the smiths IF the locking mechanism is broke (and yes it can happen - I had an old pair that did), but then again...I probably shouldn't post that kind of information in a public forum. Long story as to how I found that out! (so I like to play with locks)

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I can't say I can see myself cuffing a criminal for sport. Capture and Control is not really something to be left to people who don't know what they are doing. Plus the liability issues would be amazing if you actually pulled it off. Like they say not trying to offend you but it doesn't sound like the best idea.

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SIXTO

I got lazy and didnt read the whole thread, but did we answer why are these cuffs needed?

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Start at post #28, read a few posts on from that, the consensus was reached.

SIXTO

OK, I stopped being lazy and read the thread, thanks to pete.

Anyhoo, I am going to take my stance like I always do. Cuffs are tools meant to be used by those who know how to use them. A lot of cops dont even know how to use them correctly. You need training to be safe effective etc. I know it sounds silly, there is not much to them... right?
Well yeah there is. Also, I would think that they would have a good chance at getting used against you, and with out training you may not be able to handle that situation. If you need to detain someone and use cuffs, its time to back off and become the good witness.

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Interesting that you should mention that.

Studies have shown that in the vast majority of cases where criminals resist arrest, meaningful resistance begins at or immediately after the time that the first handcuff is applied.

That's why the PPCT defensive tactics system includes what's called the Iron Wristlock Takedown, and why officers are taught to apply the cuff and grab the thumb simultaneously, and move to the second wrist as quickly as possible.

Think about all that for a moment. What happens if he pulls FREE and starts fighting? Even assuming that he's not armed, or has been disarmed, you're dealing with that loose steel cuff now, in addition to fists and feet.

Better to order them to face away, get down on their knees, get down on their stomachs, extend their arms out to their sides (palms facing up), cross their ankles, turn their face away from you and not move. Then shout at someone to call 911, or if necessary, call 911 yourself (better information, but poorer suspect control). Make damn sure you're not pointing your weapon AT the suspect when the cavalry arrives, and follow their orders immediately, without discussion until they can objectively know you're not a threat to them.

Randy

Yep!

I have Peerless (chained), Hiatts (hinged), and S&W (large - hinged).

Never seen Hiatts use a nonstandard key.

The Peerless are the only ones I have ever had trouble with. They were old and had been abused when they were issued to me.

I prefer the hinged cuffs over the chain - you can use the all of the remainder of the cuff for leverage when bringing the wrist with the cuff applied towards the other wrist.

Randy

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