Wiggy

Quick clot is good stuff in an EMERGENCY. It can cause complications but if it's all you have, it's much better than nothing and does it's job very well for what it is. From what I heard from the CLS folks in Iraq, they were trying to stay away from the powder stuff, and there was a new gel that does much better. I don't know if it's on the civilian market yet though.

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QKShooter

Super Glue
Super glue sure works but, it makes for tough healing if you happen to bust the same wound back open again.
Just FYI.
I have used it though rather than going in for stitches.
You need to be very careful about cleaning out the wound before you seal it up especially if it's a deep one.

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MattLarson

Super glue works for wound closure, but....

You really need to know what you are doing, particularly when it comes to properly irrigating and evaluating the wound before closing it.

It might be OK in an emergency, when you truly cannot seek qualified medical care, but it is a VERY poor substitute for qualified medical care when it is available.

Matt

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packinnova

Yeah thanks. I understand. The main reason I was looking into the blood clotting stuff was for the emergencies(like when I'm out on a trail 20 miles in and can't find help immediately). It's about that time of the seasons again. I really hate hiking in the summer. Fall is my favorite time because the weather is great, but you have to worry about taking a bullet from some dummy thinking you're a deer(hence the emergency kit).

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MattLarson

Yeah, copy that. Used to love biking or hiking the C&O towpath. Not in the populated areas, but miles out where it's just you and the river and you might not see anyone else for hours.

Matt

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FknRa

I use superglue on superficial wounds. Quikclot and superglue have 2 very differant applications. Arterial bleeding is not an application for superglue. It'll probably be fine for capillary problems but I wouldn't use it on anything big. Especially if a surgeon is going to have to hook it back up. If a doc can close it with stitches it can be superglued. If it will require major medical attention just stop the bleeding however you can.

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Bark'n

Superglue is best used for superficial cuts that ordinarily wouldn't require stitches. In those situations it's great.

For wounds that are deep enough to require stitches, it is best to be used only in area's where there isn't a lot of "tension" on the wound edges, such as lacerations on the forearm, bicep areas, back of the hand or on the face around your cheeks or maybe chin.

For areas where there are bends and joints, such as on the hands, around the fingers or on the knee, where there is going to be a lot of movement and "tension" applied around the wound edges, the superglue tends to pull apart and open the wound again before it has a chance to heal. Then you are beyond the point where they will go back and put in stitches and the wound is more prone to infection.

It is certainly not recommended for real deep wounds that are down to the "muscle facia" that would require mattress stitch or even internal "absorbable" chromic sutures on the inside to hold muscle together and simple "interrupted" stitches to close on the outside.

It is also not recommended for use on lacerations that are more than a couple centimeters in length. I wouldn't try to close a wound that is say 3 - 5 inches in length. I would just stitch it or use butterflies or better yet, "Steri-Strips."

The stuff they use in hospitals, or the "medical grade" superglue is called "Dermabond" and is just a fancy, sterile superglue that is manufactured without a lot of the impurities that you may find in regular superglue. It is also rather pricey for what it is. Hospital cost is $30 + per unit and the ER usually charges the patient over $60 for the use.

The main thing before using superglue to close a wound is careful inspection to see if it is something that it will work adequately to close, and then good wound irrigation, and cleansing with an antiseptic.

You may also apply additional layers of superglue to ensure the wound edges stay closed for 7-10 days.

Bottom line, superglue remains a good option to use when out in the field and away from an ER and used on the right type of laceration.

Note when using butterflies or steri-strips: If using butterflies or steri-strips, it is best to have some Tincture of Benzoine. It is a topical skin adhesive. Ask your pharmacist if they have any or can order you a small bottle.

Tincture of Benzoine is also available as "pre-saturated Q-Tips on a stick in a sealed packages that are much more convenient but a bit harder to find packaged that way except from medical supply places.

Apply about an inch wide area along each side of the laceration with a Benzoine soaked Q-Tip where you intend to put the steri-strips. Allow it to dry to a "tacky, sticky" consistency. It will become very sticky and help the steri-strips or butterflies to attach to the skin with a much stronger bond and help keep them on longer.

It will sting if you get it in the cut, but it is also an antiseptic so it won't hurt anything if you get it in the laceration.

Note: People still die of Tetnus in this country every year. If you are not current on your tetnus booster, you do have 72 hours from time of injury to get a Tetnus booster, so if you are out in the the wilderness and not current on your tetnus, wound cleanliness is very important and still you have up to 3 days to get one and still be ok.

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Miggy

So, other than the internet, where can average joe find these 2 products locally?

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Bark'n

Miggy? Which two products?

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Miggy

Celox and superglue.... Just kidding! Celox and Quikclot. I know Cabelas has QuikClot but I Googled the Miami area and I can't find a local seller

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