HORNADY TAP Personal Defense Ammo - Page 2

KC135 · June 22nd, 2005, 10:05 PM

Well..if I ever have to kill a phone book.....

Look, not knocking the ammo. Look at it this way, I would rather test ammo in a medium that is consistant, and is accepted in the industry.

About 20 or so years ago, I was talking to a friend, who has been testing ammo about forever. I told him my favorite 38 special load..Federals nyclad hp, opened up nicely in wet sand. His answer? You can guess.

Last, you know..hit them where they live.

QKShooter · June 22nd, 2005, 10:21 PM

It's a doggone shame that saying BLACK TALON might as well be saying "Cop Killer Bullets" ~ Black Talon somehow morphed into EVIL AMMO...Unreal!

ExSoldier · June 22nd, 2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC135

My favorite 38 special load..Federals nyclad hp, opened up nicely in wet sand.

I LOVE the Nyclad! It was great because it was the only round available in a standard pressure 38sp that would expand consistently from a snubbie. It was clean, too.

The Black Talon was a good load, but QK got my point. The very name BLACK TALON has morphed into something evil and that truly is a shame. Even in a justifiable shooting scenario, I could use RANGER SXT loads and it would probably be the same thing but if they came from the box marked Black Talon, I'm betting the LIARS I mean LAWYERS would just be drooling.

OD · June 23rd, 2005, 12:16 AM

We would have people come into the shop and ask for "that Black Felon ammo."

Might have had something to do with the name change.

ExSoldier · June 23rd, 2005, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OD

We would have people come into the shop and ask for "that Black Felon ammo."

Might have had something to do with the name change.

LOL that's HILARIOUS! I remember a few years ago, the NAACP went ballistic over the use of the standard B-9 silouhette target because it was "black" and they felt a message was being sent. So a ton of departments switched to the GREEN silouhette target. Then the guys in the police choppers who spot for the ground patrol units started telling the cops on the ground using the new designated target type as in

"YOUR GREEN GUY JUST VAULTED THE FENCE AND IS HEADING SOUTH IN THE ALLEY...." And it all just went away but that was pretty funny, too.

P95Carry · June 23rd, 2005, 12:29 AM

Hahaha - ''Black Felon'' LOL

Of course, Black Talon ammo has a ''claws'' in it to avoid anything seeming racial!!

I shot this evening on the blue PPC silhouette - used to be black but now, hey - we are just shootin at the UN LOL!

QKShooter · June 23rd, 2005, 05:27 AM

The FBI Targets as being called "Black Man Targets" but, that did NOT mean Blackman Targets....as in Afro-American Male Targets.

They were actually called Black "MAN" Targets....BECAUSE the target body color was black and the silhouette outline was that of a man.

Race had nothing to do with it.

But, I remember that the NAACP did not quite see it that way & made a little stink about it.

Bud White · June 23rd, 2005, 06:37 AM

I wont if the Hornady Tap will suffer the same fate as black talon ..Im sure the media will manage to twist it around and create a evil round out of these too.

RSSZ · June 23rd, 2005, 07:41 AM

You guys out there that have a hankering for the .45ACP TAP----try some of Hornadys #9096. I believe that is the same thing except no black case. It shoots great in my 5" and in my Beretta Storm. It will go completely through a 215 lb. hog out of my Storm. Recoil--?-- it seems a tad hot----but that's a GOOD THING.---------

QKShooter · June 23rd, 2005, 08:26 AM

Thanks RSSZ ~ Good addition.
Nice to hear some actual penetration results.

June 22nd, 2005, 10:05 PM	#11
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 742	Kill phone book Well..if I ever have to kill a phone book..... Look, not knocking the ammo. Look at it this way, I would rather test ammo in a medium that is consistant, and is accepted in the industry. About 20 or so years ago, I was talking to a friend, who has been testing ammo about forever. I told him my favorite 38 special load..Federals nyclad hp, opened up nicely in wet sand. His answer? You can guess. Last, you know..hit them where they live. __________________ Keep the shotgun handy!!

June 22nd, 2005, 10:21 PM	#12
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,777	Black Talon It's a doggone shame that saying BLACK TALON might as well be saying "Cop Killer Bullets" ~ Black Talon somehow morphed into EVIL AMMO...Unreal! __________________ *Support Our Troops* How Very Fortunate You Are To Have Two Arms To Put Into A Ward 57 T-Shirt. DC MEMBERS ~ PLEASE BUY A WARD 57 SHIRT. Click Here.

June 23rd, 2005, 12:16 AM	#14
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 2,606	We would have people come into the shop and ask for "that Black Felon ammo." Might have had something to do with the name change. __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

June 23rd, 2005, 12:29 AM	#16
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,339	Hahaha - ''Black Felon'' LOL Of course, Black Talon ammo has a ''claws'' in it to avoid anything seeming racial!! I shot this evening on the blue PPC silhouette - used to be black but now, hey - we are just shootin at the UN LOL! __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

June 23rd, 2005, 05:27 AM	#17
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,777	I Remember The FBI Targets as being called "Black Man Targets" but, that did NOT mean Blackman Targets....as in Afro-American Male Targets. They were actually called Black "MAN" Targets....BECAUSE the target body color was black and the silhouette outline was that of a man. Race had nothing to do with it. But, I remember that the NAACP did not quite see it that way & made a little stink about it.

June 23rd, 2005, 06:37 AM	#18
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	I wont if the Hornady Tap will suffer the same fate as black talon ..Im sure the media will manage to twist it around and create a evil round out of these too.

June 23rd, 2005, 07:41 AM	#19
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	You guys out there that have a hankering for the .45ACP TAP----try some of Hornadys #9096. I believe that is the same thing except no black case. It shoots great in my 5" and in my Beretta Storm. It will go completely through a 215 lb. hog out of my Storm. Recoil--?-- it seems a tad hot----but that's a GOOD THING.---------

June 23rd, 2005, 08:26 AM	#20
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,777	Rssz Thanks RSSZ ~ Good addition. Nice to hear some actual penetration results. __________________ *Support Our Troops* How Very Fortunate You Are To Have Two Arms To Put Into A Ward 57 T-Shirt. DC MEMBERS ~ PLEASE BUY A WARD 57 SHIRT. Click Here.

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