HORNADY TAP Personal Defense Ammo

QKShooter · June 21st, 2005, 11:36 PM

YES...The Cartridge Cases REALLY ARE JET BLACK (Black Nickel)
Has anybody shot this stuff yet? The 12 gauge stuff sounds extra nice AND the .45 looks (to me) like it would be real great with its "way reduced" muzzle flash
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P95Carry · June 22nd, 2005, 12:46 AM

Still in the stage of ''just recently heard of this''. Long ways to go yet before I want to try it - unless of course anyone wants to donate some for ''test'' !

As ever - more than interested in any new offerings.

ExSoldier · June 22nd, 2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by QKShooter

YES...The Cartridge Cases REALLY ARE JET BLACK (Black Nickel)
Has anybody shot this stuff yet? The 12 gauge stuff sounds extra nice AND the .45 looks (to me) like it would be real great with its "way reduced" muzzle flash
TAP Personal Defense Ammunition - Click Here

This looks too good to be true, so I'm buying a couple of boxes: One to shoot to see where the .40 S&W prints from my M27 Glock and the rest to fill mags for my trip on Tuesday next week. If it works in the 40, I'm certainly going to pick up some in .45 and .308.

ghost10750 · June 22nd, 2005, 10:30 AM

I liked the 308 version. I use only their bullets in my rifle handloads, but did notice this factory round had alot lower flash from my rifle. Have not tried any of the pistol rounds since they I'm pretty sure they are loaded with the XTP bullet. It is a fine hunting bullet but there has been some testing that showed poor expansion and over penetration in a personal defense pistol round. Would like to see some more testing on this. I do use them in reloads as a backup personal defense round (for max penetration against harder targets), but think I will stick with the Golden Saber as a primary load to carry daily.

Tom357 · June 22nd, 2005, 10:30 AM

Uh oh. It's black. Deadly dangerous black. With shiny bullets. Could that be an armor-piercing tip on that assault weapon round? It looks sinister. It looks like....evil assault ammunition. They say the coating is for lubrication, to make operation smoother. We've heard that before. And who's to say this is REALLY used for so-called "personal defense"? And what does "TAP" mean? People are being exposed to this ammunition at gun shows, as if it were just ammunition. Right now, this very instant, there are people out there with BOXES of this stuff - so dangerous that people fall over from just looking at it. And they are going to shoot it. And what happens then? It will be the wild west, all over again. Blood in the streets. Dogs lying down with goats. Oh, the humanity! People are dying every day this ammunition is being sold. How long before we come to our senses and ban it? For the children.

QKShooter · June 22nd, 2005, 01:17 PM

Oh...That's Right!
Evil Black Bullets.
Ammunition of SATAN!

666 bullets.

Why couldn't they have made them POWDER BLUE??? Doggoneit.

P95Carry · June 22nd, 2005, 01:26 PM

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Why couldn't they have made them POWDER BLUE??? Doggoneit.

No way - QK (hey, that rhymes!!)

If that had been chosen color it would have been seen as UN color!! Couldn't have that could we - in this PC world we inhabit?!!

ExSoldier · June 22nd, 2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ghost10750

Have not tried any of the pistol rounds since they I'm pretty sure they are loaded with the XTP bullet. It is a fine hunting bullet but there has been some testing that showed poor expansion and over penetration in a personal defense pistol round. Would like to see some more testing on this. I do use them in reloads as a backup personal defense round (for max penetration against harder targets), but think I will stick with the Golden Saber as a primary load to carry daily.

That's interesting, I have heard nothing but PRAISE for the XTP as a self defense round. I bought like 500 of them in 45ACP but then, even military hard ball will do well there. Well, I'm gonna keep 'em anyway. LOL

KC135 · June 22nd, 2005, 06:58 PM

Guys, remember...black talon...its all about marketing...not about best ammo for personal self defense. That does not mean that it is not excellent ammo. Time will tell.

ExSoldier · June 22nd, 2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC135

Guys, remember...black talon...its all about marketing...not about best ammo for personal self defense. That does not mean that it is not excellent ammo. Time will tell.

It IS excellent ammo, almost too good. I have an expended round that was fired into a soaked phone book and resulted in perfect expansion. A total "star" pattern with those nasty little points the surgeons were complaining sliced through their latex gloves while removing said bullets from bad guys corpses. The resulting media blitz had the effect of turning the brilliant ad campaign into a ummmmm"dead weight" around Winchester's neck and so they voluntarily withdrew the product from the market. It may have returned as the Ranger SXT but because of the negative press surrounding "Black Talon" I would NEVER carry it on the street. I just don't want to give anything to the media or antigun prosecutors to chew on.

June 21st, 2005, 11:36 PM	#1
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,769	HORNADY TAP Personal Defense Ammo YES...The Cartridge Cases REALLY ARE JET BLACK (Black Nickel) Has anybody shot this stuff yet? The 12 gauge stuff sounds extra nice AND the .45 looks (to me) like it would be real great with its "way reduced" muzzle flash TAP Personal Defense Ammunition - Click Here __________________ *Support Our Troops* How Very Fortunate You Are To Have Two Arms To Put Into A Ward 57 T-Shirt. DC MEMBERS ~ PLEASE BUY A WARD 57 SHIRT. Click Here.

June 22nd, 2005, 12:46 AM	#2
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,339	Still in the stage of ''just recently heard of this''. Long ways to go yet before I want to try it - unless of course anyone wants to donate some for ''test'' ! As ever - more than interested in any new offerings. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

June 22nd, 2005, 10:30 AM	#4
ghost10750 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26	I liked the 308 version. I use only their bullets in my rifle handloads, but did notice this factory round had alot lower flash from my rifle. Have not tried any of the pistol rounds since they I'm pretty sure they are loaded with the XTP bullet. It is a fine hunting bullet but there has been some testing that showed poor expansion and over penetration in a personal defense pistol round. Would like to see some more testing on this. I do use them in reloads as a backup personal defense round (for max penetration against harder targets), but think I will stick with the Golden Saber as a primary load to carry daily. __________________ A superior combat handgunner is best defined as one who uses his superior judgement to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skills.

June 22nd, 2005, 10:30 AM	#5
Tom357 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 671	Uh oh. It's black. Deadly dangerous black. With shiny bullets. Could that be an armor-piercing tip on that assault weapon round? It looks sinister. It looks like....evil assault ammunition. They say the coating is for lubrication, to make operation smoother. We've heard that before. And who's to say this is REALLY used for so-called "personal defense"? And what does "TAP" mean? People are being exposed to this ammunition at gun shows, as if it were just ammunition. Right now, this very instant, there are people out there with BOXES of this stuff - so dangerous that people fall over from just looking at it. And they are going to shoot it. And what happens then? It will be the wild west, all over again. Blood in the streets. Dogs lying down with goats. Oh, the humanity! People are dying every day this ammunition is being sold. How long before we come to our senses and ban it? For the children. __________________ - Tom You have the power to donate life.

June 22nd, 2005, 01:17 PM	#6
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,769	Tom....... Oh...That's Right! Evil Black Bullets. Ammunition of SATAN! 666 bullets. Why couldn't they have made them POWDER BLUE??? Doggoneit.

June 22nd, 2005, 06:58 PM	#9
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 742	Guys, remember...black talon...its all about marketing...not about best ammo for personal self defense. That does not mean that it is not excellent ammo. Time will tell. __________________ Keep the shotgun handy!!

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