How to move 575 lb. safe into 2nd-story apartment? - Page 2

P95Carry · December 30th, 2005, 01:36 PM

Logistics are surmountable but - other things like when you move again, and floor loading do have some bearing.

It would be worth checking on floor construction if poss' - QK is right re two big people hugging - but - this is dead weight in one spot for a long time - so a constant load. If cross beams intermittent with 2x8's and a stud wall sat over or close to a main member it would probably be OK. Not hard either to add 100# plus into the safe and have finally perhaps a steady 700# load!

QK's modular idea would seem a useful measure.

rstickle · December 30th, 2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P95Carry

Not hard either to add 100# plus into the safe and have finally perhaps a steady 700# load!

Good point! I'd overlooked the fact that he gave "empty" weight. He'll probably want to add a gun or two!

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QK's modular idea would seem a useful measure.

Anyone have a price on the modulars?

Free American · December 30th, 2005, 02:08 PM

You really should check with your property manager, usually the load limits on the second story (and above) of residential floors is less than 80 lbs per sq foot. Based on that your safe would have to have an 8 sq ft footprint. in other words 2' x 4'. Which is pretty large...so check with management.

As far as moving it up there goes my only advice is.....

CAREFULLY!!!!

Jaltered · December 30th, 2005, 02:09 PM

QKshooter,

Tell me about the Zanotti safe. I called them today and left a message. I can't find anything about prices on their site for the three models. Is it fire-rated? And where did you purchase yours?

Jaltered · December 30th, 2005, 03:32 PM

Does anyone have any recommendations on a quality safe that weighs more like 250-400 lbs, is fire-rated, and has the option of a electronic lock and goldenrod?

That 575 lb beast may be a nightmare to move after all.

P95Carry · December 30th, 2005, 04:04 PM

No names to mention but - I know I have seen reduced width versions - maybe nearer your weight limit.

That might keep you going until get another in future - you'll need more safe space then anyways

Jaltered · December 30th, 2005, 04:16 PM

I just checked with the apartment property manager, and he said that there is not a weight limit. These are fairly new apartments and the floors in between the stories are concrete.

So I'm leaving the possibility open for a full size safe, but how the crap do I move it up the stairs?

BlueLion · December 30th, 2005, 04:26 PM

I helped my dad move his gun safe into the basement and it was heavy. The basement is concrete slab. So, if I were you I would go smaller because it may go through the floor and crush something or somebody.

P95Carry · December 30th, 2005, 04:46 PM

OK - if floors concrete beam/truss then weight not an issue it seems.

How to do the stairs tho - quite simply - MUSCLE!! I'd suggest some removal type webbing straps be employed too to reduce bending and risk to back.

Two guys at bottom and two at top with straps - and do a lift for each stair rise - co-ordinated ''power'' lifts work well as long as everyone in synchrony. Use dolly of course elsewhere.

With enough guys on it it'll be awkward but easy - but has to be done (beware pun) safe too.

tanksoldier · December 30th, 2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaltered

So I'm leaving the possibility open for a full size safe, but how the crap do I move it up the stairs?

Find a dealer that delivers, and let the delivery guy worry about it.

When you move, hire a moving company and let them worry about it.

December 30th, 2005, 01:36 PM	#11
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,468	Logistics are surmountable but - other things like when you move again, and floor loading do have some bearing. It would be worth checking on floor construction if poss' - QK is right re two big people hugging - but - this is dead weight in one spot for a long time - so a constant load. If cross beams intermittent with 2x8's and a stud wall sat over or close to a main member it would probably be OK. Not hard either to add 100# plus into the safe and have finally perhaps a steady 700# load! QK's modular idea would seem a useful measure. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

December 30th, 2005, 02:08 PM	#13
Free American Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 703	You really should check with your property manager, usually the load limits on the second story (and above) of residential floors is less than 80 lbs per sq foot. Based on that your safe would have to have an 8 sq ft footprint. in other words 2' x 4'. Which is pretty large...so check with management. As far as moving it up there goes my only advice is..... CAREFULLY!!!! __________________ They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Previously known as "cjm5874"

December 30th, 2005, 02:09 PM	#14
Jaltered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 200	QKshooter, Tell me about the Zanotti safe. I called them today and left a message. I can't find anything about prices on their site for the three models. Is it fire-rated? And where did you purchase yours? __________________ Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: http://www.xanga.com/jaltered

December 30th, 2005, 03:32 PM	#15
Jaltered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 200	Does anyone have any recommendations on a quality safe that weighs more like 250-400 lbs, is fire-rated, and has the option of a electronic lock and goldenrod? That 575 lb beast may be a nightmare to move after all. __________________ Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: http://www.xanga.com/jaltered

December 30th, 2005, 04:04 PM	#16
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,468	No names to mention but - I know I have seen reduced width versions - maybe nearer your weight limit. That might keep you going until get another in future - you'll need more safe space then anyways __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

December 30th, 2005, 04:16 PM	#17
Jaltered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 200	I just checked with the apartment property manager, and he said that there is not a weight limit. These are fairly new apartments and the floors in between the stories are concrete. So I'm leaving the possibility open for a full size safe, but how the crap do I move it up the stairs? __________________ Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: http://www.xanga.com/jaltered

December 30th, 2005, 04:26 PM	#18
BlueLion Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: It Changes... Posts: 830	I helped my dad move his gun safe into the basement and it was heavy. The basement is concrete slab. So, if I were you I would go smaller because it may go through the floor and crush something or somebody. __________________ Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....

December 30th, 2005, 04:46 PM	#19
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,468	OK - if floors concrete beam/truss then weight not an issue it seems. How to do the stairs tho - quite simply - MUSCLE!! I'd suggest some removal type webbing straps be employed too to reduce bending and risk to back. Two guys at bottom and two at top with straps - and do a lift for each stair rise - co-ordinated ''power'' lifts work well as long as everyone in synchrony. Use dolly of course elsewhere. With enough guys on it it'll be awkward but easy - but has to be done (beware pun) safe too. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

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