Do you have lasers and lights... - Page 4

ToddG · May 2nd, 2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmmoSphere

Waste of money and you have to worry about batteries all the time.

Really? Can you explain why it's a waste of money? I'm specifically interested in how much professional instruction you've had using lights and lasers on a weapon intended for combat. In particular, how much force on force training have you done using those items prior to dismissing them as "a waste of money?"

As for batteries, again this comes across as if you don't have a lot of experience. Most modern weapon mounted lights use step-down technology so it's very clear when you're losing battery power (and you still have many minutes of useful light at that point). And what's the alternative, shooting blindly in the dark? For the laser, at least the ones I'm most familiar with (Crimson Trace), they also grow dim before dying ... so if yours start to dim during practice, replace them.

Sig4life · May 2nd, 2009, 11:13 PM

I have used the Lasermax and liked it. A laser holds an intimidation factor. Just something about seeing a red dot on your chest, makes one think twice about his future course of action.

The lasermax is fairly accurate +-2" at 25 feet, plus if nothing else, makes a great dry firing aide.

The laser isn't for everyone, but will come in handy in different situations.

Ivan4x4 · May 3rd, 2009, 12:18 AM

crimson trace on my colt defender

Gardien · May 3rd, 2009, 12:37 AM

Hell ya! I put the CT LG405 on my S&W 642. If I ever need to use it in a less than ideal situation, point the red dot and pull trigger. Rinse & repeat.

AllAmerican · May 3rd, 2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by P7fanatic

I see nothing wrong with it. In fact I believe it is a very good idea, especially for someone that does not shoot their EDC/SD weapon very often. In the heat of the moment, one does not always have the time or may be not even thinking of acquiring good aim on the target. To be able to see a red dOt on what you are shooting at would be very helpful, IMO.

Ahhh she shoots the gun plenty. She gets about 200 rounds a month through the gun. We try to do some drills and stuff twice a month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BikerRN

I was trying to provide some reasoning or rationale behind my decisions, hence the long post.

Biker

I gotcha. Yes, I understood. No problem I was just clarifying. :-)

TN_Mike · May 3rd, 2009, 09:28 PM

I do not have lasers or lights attached to any of my carry guns. Not saying I wouldn't put a laser on them, but it would be a LaseMax so it doesn't change the geometry of the gun and I would still be able to use all the holsters I have.

But, honestly, since I have had to draw for real twice this year (God I hope I don't ever have to do it again, and yes, this year has sucked so far) I can tell you, I have no doubt that the speed at which the SHTF would not have allowed me to activate a LaserMax. So I doubt I will bother with installing one any time soon.

black bear 84 · May 5th, 2009, 10:19 PM

I use laser grips in my guns.
The S&W Chief Special is my carry gun, and the Colt Gov't is my home defense gun.

I prefer to have a light in my off hand.

I have posted it before, but here it is to show why I prefer lasers over night sights.

I will NOT be without one.

I have a laser grip on my .45, it is my primary home defense gun, together with a Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

After the alarm sounded...
My tactic is to get to the bedroom door and from there control the passage way and the living room, with the body protected by the frame and with only my half face exposed, one hand holding the pistol and the other hand the Borealis flashlight.

With a laser is not need to line up your face with the pistol, no tunnel vision, no exposing body parts to get into a shooting position.
If you are going to have a gunfight, this is the best way!

This, for me is the most valuable feature of the laser.

The flashlight with the 1050 lumens (two millions candlepower) will cook the eyes of an intruder.

Colt .45 with laser grips and the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

Cheers

Black Bear

frankmako · May 5th, 2009, 10:26 PM

no lasers, to me they are junk. i have lights on the duty weapons. works well in the dark on raids.

SIGP250 · May 5th, 2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black bear 84

I use laser grips in my guns.
The S&W Chief Special is my carry gun, and the Colt Gov't is my home defense gun.

I prefer to have a light in my off hand.

I have posted it before, but here it is to show why I prefer lasers over night sights.

I will NOT be without one.

I have a laser grip on my .45, it is my primary home defense gun, together with a Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

After the alarm sounded...
My tactic is to get to the bedroom door and from there control the passage way and the living room, with the body protected by the frame and with only my half face exposed, one hand holding the pistol and the other hand the Borealis flashlight.

With a laser is not need to line up your face with the pistol, no tunnel vision, no exposing body parts to get into a shooting position.
If you are going to have a gunfight, this is the best way!

This, for me is the most valuable feature of the laser.

The flashlight with the 1050 lumens (two millions candlepower) will cook the eyes of an intruder.

Colt .45 with laser grips and the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

Cheers

Black Bear

Very nice! great pictures.

I sell all this stuff so I probably should not say you I do not need it. It also depends on where you live etc.

I feel everyone who likes guns and ammo should equip themselves as they feel necessary.

Carry, collect and stay safe no matter how you do it.

mfcmb · May 5th, 2009, 11:30 PM

Some thoughts:

o Be a supportive husband and get her what she wants. Your relationship will benefit.

o See if you can help her realize (perhaps through some role-playing / experimentation / practice, maybe with a cheap laser pointer as a prop) that the BG is not going to notice a red dot on his body, so the laser is highly unlikely to be an effective deterrent.

o Consider that if she's counting on the laser to scare a BG away, this might be a variation on the "I carry a gun for self defense but I'd never actually shoot anyone" mindset, which as I'm sure you know is a dangerous mindset. If this appears to be the case then you've got a more fundamental problem than whether it's meaningful to have a laser on your EDC.

o It appears that when the SHTF most people end up point shooting in the heat of the moment. For the first shot or two most people won't have the time or presence of mind either to do sighted shooting OR to follow-the-dot with laser-aimed fire. But for successive shots I think that laser-aimed fire can be very helpful to get the shots on target; particularly if you're moving, or end up at odd angles.

May 2nd, 2009, 11:13 PM	#32
Sig4life Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 61	I have used the Lasermax and liked it. A laser holds an intimidation factor. Just something about seeing a red dot on your chest, makes one think twice about his future course of action. The lasermax is fairly accurate +-2" at 25 feet, plus if nothing else, makes a great dry firing aide. The laser isn't for everyone, but will come in handy in different situations. __________________ If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu

May 3rd, 2009, 12:18 AM	#33
Ivan4x4 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fort Worth , Texas Posts: 499	crimson trace on my colt defender __________________ EDC's Colt Defender 45 acp and Sig 229 .40 cal Springfield XD 45 acp Ruger SR9 Ruger Super RedHawk .44 mag mossberg 590 12 gauge tactical bushmaster AR15-M4

May 3rd, 2009, 12:37 AM	#34
Gardien Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In the Rockies Posts: 40	Hell ya! I put the CT LG405 on my S&W 642. If I ever need to use it in a less than ideal situation, point the red dot and pull trigger. Rinse & repeat. __________________ The 2nd Amendment is my gun permit. Issue Date: Dec. 15, 1791 Expiration Date: NEVER

May 3rd, 2009, 09:28 PM	#36
TN_Mike VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: West TN Posts: 7,720	I do not have lasers or lights attached to any of my carry guns. Not saying I wouldn't put a laser on them, but it would be a LaseMax so it doesn't change the geometry of the gun and I would still be able to use all the holsters I have. But, honestly, since I have had to draw for real twice this year (God I hope I don't ever have to do it again, and yes, this year has sucked so far) I can tell you, I have no doubt that the speed at which the SHTF would not have allowed me to activate a LaserMax. So I doubt I will bother with installing one any time soon. __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Barry Goldwater 1968

May 5th, 2009, 10:19 PM	#37
black bear 84 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 175	I use laser grips in my guns. The S&W Chief Special is my carry gun, and the Colt Gov't is my home defense gun. I prefer to have a light in my off hand. I have posted it before, but here it is to show why I prefer lasers over night sights. I will NOT be without one. I have a laser grip on my .45, it is my primary home defense gun, together with a Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight. After the alarm sounded... My tactic is to get to the bedroom door and from there control the passage way and the living room, with the body protected by the frame and with only my half face exposed, one hand holding the pistol and the other hand the Borealis flashlight. With a laser is not need to line up your face with the pistol, no tunnel vision, no exposing body parts to get into a shooting position. If you are going to have a gunfight, this is the best way! This, for me is the most valuable feature of the laser. The flashlight with the 1050 lumens (two millions candlepower) will cook the eyes of an intruder. Colt .45 with laser grips and the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight. Cheers Black Bear __________________ Builder of the BOREALIS 1050 lumens flashlight and www.blackbearflashlights.com E-Mail admin@blackbearflashlights.com

May 5th, 2009, 10:26 PM	#38
frankmako VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 2,498	no lasers, to me they are junk. i have lights on the duty weapons. works well in the dark on raids. __________________ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. Red State State of Mind

May 5th, 2009, 11:30 PM	#40
mfcmb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 120	Some thoughts: o Be a supportive husband and get her what she wants. Your relationship will benefit. o See if you can help her realize (perhaps through some role-playing / experimentation / practice, maybe with a cheap laser pointer as a prop) that the BG is not going to notice a red dot on his body, so the laser is highly unlikely to be an effective deterrent. o Consider that if she's counting on the laser to scare a BG away, this might be a variation on the "I carry a gun for self defense but I'd never actually shoot anyone" mindset, which as I'm sure you know is a dangerous mindset. If this appears to be the case then you've got a more fundamental problem than whether it's meaningful to have a laser on your EDC. o It appears that when the SHTF most people end up point shooting in the heat of the moment. For the first shot or two most people won't have the time or presence of mind either to do sighted shooting OR to follow-the-dot with laser-aimed fire. But for successive shots I think that laser-aimed fire can be very helpful to get the shots on target; particularly if you're moving, or end up at odd angles.

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