the piece keeper - Page 2

QKShooter · March 7th, 2006, 07:43 PM

The CAMOUFLAGE version Totally Stumps me.

Maybe that is the model that gets installed in a Tree House.

sojourner · March 7th, 2006, 08:20 PM

I appreciate the civil and polite manner of discourse here on the forum. Deciding pro/con on the piecekeeper is an individual choice. My attempt was to bring up a point (that an anal retentive worrying type like me) thinks/worries about. If I was able to communicate my point then I was successful. People could take my communications and agree/disagree, but they will have heard my point and consider it in their decision. And they will make their decision.

Kindest regards.

snowdoctor · March 7th, 2006, 08:36 PM

if my last message came off pointed, I apologize, it was not meant to offend. some people like things others don't. some will like the piece keeper, other won't. I think/hope it will save many children's life

QKShooter · March 7th, 2006, 08:38 PM

I am probably not the best person to evaluate this & I sure do admit that.
I have no children & I have a fantastic home alarm system & I have a very secure safe system to store all but my daily carry firearm & one SHTF 12 ga. riot shotgun.

I actually think the very best way to secure a home defense handgun (at the ready) is in one of the Fingerprint Identification Gun Vaults that are bolted down internally to a floor joist.
They are very FAST to get into...with no key or specific combination of numbers to fiddle with but, they are still priced out of reach to many people.
Just to offer up some additional information.

Bud White · March 7th, 2006, 08:47 PM

Mossburg has something like this for there shotguns lot of people said they liked them you could put shot gun behind the curtain and lock it up in anyroom and it couldn't be seen.. Course ya got kids its a different deal

snowdoctor · March 7th, 2006, 08:50 PM

QK you are certainly correct on two accounts. safest, and monetarily out of the reach of most. That is one reason why I brought up the piece keeper in the first place, an effective, inexpensive way to keep an loaded firearm in the house to protect the family, without endangering the family.
Maybe this wasn't the right forum, as most here are already safe with there firearms, but I know MANY who are not, and read the paper, and see on TV many more that are not. the libs love those people.
ugly or not, it is a functional, safe option for someone that can't afford a safe, doesn't have the room for one, or is seeking a way to make there home defense firearm accessible and safe.

QKShooter · March 7th, 2006, 09:31 PM

It certainly has some good merit.
Exactly HOW VALUABLE it will be to each individual forum member will be for each member to finally decide.

Certainly every single forum member with children needs some means or method to positively secure (as in render inoperable) their immediate home defense firearm.

I am ALL FOR educating kids about firearms and firearm safety.
I am also only willing to trust any children but so far.
Because...children are not adults & all normal children "do things" when adults are not around.

I can only say this:
I was brought up in a home that was filled with "nooks & crannies" & high shelves & built in cabinets & there was Not One Single Place in that house that my parents could "hide" anything where I could't find if I set my mind to it.
That's a fact.

snowdoctor · March 7th, 2006, 10:56 PM

Qk, well again in concur, I too grew up in a similar house, no place to hide so to speak. BUT I also grew up with knowledge and respect for firearms. ALL the guns in my parents house was loaded...still are today. That was acceptible then, people go crazy about that now. I can say, I never picked up or played with one of those NEVER. education, fear, respect, call it what you want. Now that isn't the way I chose to keep the firearms in my house, but I hope to instill the same "awareness" about firearms in my children. They are yet too young.

Bumper · March 7th, 2006, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sojourner

I appreciate the civil and polite manner of discourse here on the forum. Deciding pro/con on the piecekeeper is an individual choice. My attempt was to bring up a point (that an anal retentive worrying type like me) thinks/worries about. If I was able to communicate my point then I was successful. People could take my communications and agree/disagree, but they will have heard my point and consider it in their decision. And they will make their decision.

I could understand your point pretty well as it brought to mind concerns LEOs frequently have regarding their riotgun locked in the front seat of a patrol car. It's a convenient place for some evil-doer to shove a waded up piece of paper, chewing gun, cigarette butt, etc. I never really wanted to have go inspect the inside of the barrel before using it. I could see some kid innocently shoving a plastic bullet out of one of his toy guns or some other "thing" without your knowledge unless you had it mounted somewhere they couldn't get to.

snowdoctor · March 7th, 2006, 11:28 PM

it is impossible to shove anything in the muzzle while the firearm is locked. maybe that is the main point of confusion. there is a brass rod in the muzzle.

March 7th, 2006, 07:43 PM	#11
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,007	Now I DO absolutely AGREE with Dirkster The CAMOUFLAGE version Totally Stumps me. Maybe that is the model that gets installed in a Tree House.

March 7th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#13
snowdoctor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 1,189	if my last message came off pointed, I apologize, it was not meant to offend. some people like things others don't. some will like the piece keeper, other won't. I think/hope it will save many children's life __________________ ----DOC----- --people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.-- NRA Certified Instructor--many disciplines

March 7th, 2006, 08:38 PM	#14
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,007	I am probably not the best person to evaluate this & I sure do admit that. I have no children & I have a fantastic home alarm system & I have a very secure safe system to store all but my daily carry firearm & one SHTF 12 ga. riot shotgun. I actually think the very best way to secure a home defense handgun (at the ready) is in one of the Fingerprint Identification Gun Vaults that are bolted down internally to a floor joist. They are very FAST to get into...with no key or specific combination of numbers to fiddle with but, they are still priced out of reach to many people. Just to offer up some additional information. __________________

March 7th, 2006, 08:50 PM	#16
snowdoctor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 1,189	QK you are certainly correct on two accounts. safest, and monetarily out of the reach of most. That is one reason why I brought up the piece keeper in the first place, an effective, inexpensive way to keep an loaded firearm in the house to protect the family, without endangering the family. Maybe this wasn't the right forum, as most here are already safe with there firearms, but I know MANY who are not, and read the paper, and see on TV many more that are not. the libs love those people. ugly or not, it is a functional, safe option for someone that can't afford a safe, doesn't have the room for one, or is seeking a way to make there home defense firearm accessible and safe. __________________ ----DOC----- --people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.-- NRA Certified Instructor--many disciplines

March 7th, 2006, 09:31 PM	#17
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 20,007	I'm Glad That You Found It & Posted It It certainly has some good merit. Exactly HOW VALUABLE it will be to each individual forum member will be for each member to finally decide. Certainly every single forum member with children needs some means or method to positively secure (as in render inoperable) their immediate home defense firearm. I am ALL FOR educating kids about firearms and firearm safety. I am also only willing to trust any children but so far. Because...children are not adults & all normal children "do things" when adults are not around. I can only say this: I was brought up in a home that was filled with "nooks & crannies" & high shelves & built in cabinets & there was Not One Single Place in that house that my parents could "hide" anything where I could't find if I set my mind to it. That's a fact.

March 7th, 2006, 08:20 PM	#12
sojourner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Posts: 977	I appreciate the civil and polite manner of discourse here on the forum. Deciding pro/con on the piecekeeper is an individual choice. My attempt was to bring up a point (that an anal retentive worrying type like me) thinks/worries about. If I was able to communicate my point then I was successful. People could take my communications and agree/disagree, but they will have heard my point and consider it in their decision. And they will make their decision. Kindest regards.

March 7th, 2006, 08:47 PM	#15
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Mossburg has something like this for there shotguns lot of people said they liked them you could put shot gun behind the curtain and lock it up in anyroom and it couldn't be seen.. Course ya got kids its a different deal

March 7th, 2006, 10:56 PM	#18
snowdoctor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 1,189	Qk, well again in concur, I too grew up in a similar house, no place to hide so to speak. BUT I also grew up with knowledge and respect for firearms. ALL the guns in my parents house was loaded...still are today. That was acceptible then, people go crazy about that now. I can say, I never picked up or played with one of those NEVER. education, fear, respect, call it what you want. Now that isn't the way I chose to keep the firearms in my house, but I hope to instill the same "awareness" about firearms in my children. They are yet too young. __________________ ----DOC----- --people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.-- NRA Certified Instructor--many disciplines

March 7th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#20
snowdoctor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 1,189	it is impossible to shove anything in the muzzle while the firearm is locked. maybe that is the main point of confusion. there is a brass rod in the muzzle. __________________ ----DOC----- --people ask why I carry, and I show them this picture. I think it says it all.-- NRA Certified Instructor--many disciplines

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