Pikachu711

I'd like to add one more suggestion about the various OC products. DO NOT leave it your vehicle if you live in an area that has extreme heat like I do in Las Vegas.

A friend of my Mom's left her OC device in her car one day. That particular day was in the middle of summer. It normally gets to over 110 degrees outside. Imagine how hot it gets inside a car!

While my Mom & her friend were working the OC container "exploded" inside her car. The OC covered almost all the inside surface areas of the car. She had to have the entire car interior professionally cleaned to remove the OC from ALL the surfaces.

Never leave your OC device in your car if you live in an area of the country if it gets very hot. You will regret it!

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J Bowen

that is one of the good things I like about
the spitfire spray is that you can buy reloads
and practice loads for it. Very good design that
is easy to hide in your hand. Also the way its designed
makes it very hard to accidently discharge

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I bought 6 of the Spitfires, 2 for each of my daughters, and 2 for myself. The design is great, they are lightweight, and they work.

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J Bowen

I bought myself one and several for
family members. They all love the spitfire.
I tried some on myself and it would
definitely make a BG stop or at least give
the user time to get out of danger.

ecrist

I use this stuff: Freeze Plus P Pepper Spray Tear Gas + Duty and Keychains

It's what's issued by the department I work for as well as what my wife carries. It's a combination of OC and CS, and very effective. Due to the CS, not sure on the legality in all states, but it's legal here in Minnesota.

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Sorry I ruffled your feathers!

The word "dangerous" is YOURS. I never used that word.

I used the word "unsafe", and I KNOW it can be unsafe when used indoors, from PERSONAL experience---as well as the experience of law enforcement officers I've known personally over the years, who gave me first-hand accounts of problems they had with pepper spray.

Like the sheriff's deputy I know who discharged a small amount in his vehicle, requiring the interior of the vehicle to have to be thoroughly cleaned and aired out before it could be occupied.

Also a city cop I know who had to use it on duty in a hallway, and was almost completely overcome by it himself.

Then there was a personal friend (non-LEO) of mine who used it indoors and was substantially affected himself, causing him to have to vacate his own home, and had to air out his house for an entire hour.

I've PERSONALLY tested pepper spray myself in my own home---in the master bedroom, bathroom and hallway. In all three areas, I was significantly affected by it, with burning eyes and difficulty breathing. Enough so that it would've caused problems for me in a self-defense situation.

I definitely wouldn't want to use pepper spray in a home with young kids, especially if one of them happens to be asthmatic or allergic to it.

Thanks, but I'll pass on the advice of self-proclaimed "experts" who insist pepper spray is completely safe to use indoors, and stick with my pepper gel. A gel doesn't disperse into the air like a spray, thus making it clearly safer for indoor use.

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64zebra

nah, didn't ruffle my feathers, takes a lot more than that,
I used the word unsafe as well as dangerous in my post, I used dangerous just as you used the word unsafe, same meaning for the topic, semantics

I have used pepper spray and foam myself too, been sprayed myself for certification to carry it as LEO.
Yeah I KNOW it can get on the user indoors or outdoors from PERSONAL experience myself, and I can also get cut with my own knife or shot with my own gun if I don't use and protect them properly too.
Hence I stated that no matter what type of defensive spray one gets they should be sprayed to know what it feels like and how they will need to react and also practice with it.

I never stated that the spray is completely safe to use anywhere as you say above.

Then there's the whole thought process of spraying/using less lethal in a home in the first place.....if an uninvited guest gets in my home I won't be using pepper spray, my taser, or baton on them as first choice. That should be considered by all LEO and non-LEO. I wouldn't recommend using any spray/taser/etc in the home unless its a last resort. They are in your own intent on causing you harm and you need to stop that threat immediately.

Everyone should also practice scenarios outside and know what their canister of spray/foam/gel/mace/whatever will do and not do.

I find it humorous that you use as evidence the word of LEOs who gave you first hand accounts, etc etc etc, then you pass on the advice of a self-proclaimed "expert" (which I can only assume you meant me...another LEO btw) giving info based on my first hand accounts
perhaps others will consider you to be a self-proclaimed expert also

you gave your opinion, I and others have given opinions, I'll leave it at that

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Bm7b5

I'm trying to decide on a spray for myself and the gel looks interesting, but is quite expensive. I'm curious if you have any experience with the gel and, if so, any comments on its effectiveness vs spray. I'm not sure if you continue to use spray because you find it just as good as (or better than) gel, or if you've never tried gel because spray is sufficient for your purposes. Thanks.

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64zebra

no I have not used the gel, I've seen it used.
I've used the spray and foam.
The spray is relatively inexpensive and I've trained with it, used it, my wife uses it, I know what to do and not to do with it. Its sufficient for my purposes.

Everyone's opinions vary just like glock vs xd vs 1911 and 9 vs 40 vs 45

I like the spray based on its use I've seen. I won't tell anyone not to use the gel or the foam, but I prefer the spray. When I spray someone......who gets to clean them off before taking to jail......me. That is accomplished by spraying with a water hose or pouring a bottle of water over their face then we go to jail.

I like the spray since I can hit multiple people with the mist more easily than foam or gel. Comes in handy in a bar fight or parking lot or when multiple people crowd in and don't listen to get back.
The biggest reason I like the spray....I do not have to have a direct hit with the spray but with the foam/gel it takes a direct hit to get the gel/foam on the eyes/nose/mouth to attain effectiveness.

fyi....Mace has pepper gel 1.59oz can 10% for $15, not bad price

just like firearms and ammo, you got lots to choose from, might want to try some different ones and see what you like

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$19.95 is "quite expensive"?!

Mace® PepperGel® - Large - Buy Now

And if you price around on the internet, you can probably find it even cheaper.

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