OC Spray - Page 4

Defensive Arms · September 14th, 2009, 04:20 AM

The following was the result of using pepper SPRAY indoors, whereas pepper GEL is safe to use indoors, because a gel doesn't disperse into the air like a spray:

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Nightclub evacuated after pepper spray attack

Posted Sun Aug 3, 2008 6:49am AEST
Updated Sun Aug 3, 2008 9:21am AEST

Management at a Prahran nightclub evacuated patrons due to residual fumes of pepper spray.

Several hundred people were evacuated from a Melbourne nightclub after one of its patrons was sprayed with pepper spray. (ABC TV)

A Melbourne nightclub was evacuated after one of its patrons was sprayed with pepper spray early this morning.

More than 500 people had to be evacuated from the Love Machine at Prahran about 2.30am AEST.

The club's manager, Lisa Kroshcel, says the incident occurred after two patrons got into a fight.

"A male had a can of capsicum spray in his pocket, he sprayed it on the other male and of course the spray went throughout the club," she said.

Management evacuated the venue, at the corner of Little Chapel and Malvern Road, and the MFB was called to the scene.

Patrons were allowed back in once the fire brigade had inspected the nightclub. The spray victim suffered no serious injuries.

Police are investigating the incident.

Nightclub evacuated after pepper spray attack - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Defensive Arms · September 14th, 2009, 04:46 AM

21 dead after pepper SPRAY caused Chicago night club panic:

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At least 21 people were killed and dozens more injured in a stampede at a Chicago nightclub, triggered after bouncers used pepper spray to break up a fight between two women...."You could see a mound of people," said Cory Thomas, who was waiting for friends outside. "People were stacking up on top of each other, screaming and gagging, I guess from the pepper spray.

21 killed in Chicago nightclub stampede - Telegraph

64zebra · September 15th, 2009, 12:52 PM

nice quotes defensive, good examples of what can happen
but the pepper spray itself didn't kill anyone, it was the idiots stampeding, not a full justification for not using it IMO

also, this same effect has been used at our department (and others all over the country) for a good reason...dispersing 30-40 people crowding in on 3 officers in a night club parking lot, thankfully all of us were using spray and repelled the pests cause it was about to get real real ugly, our next step would have been baton/hand-fighting with 3 officers against 30 people or worse.....starting to shoot 'em

one man's disadvantage is another man's efficient tool
I hope the OP can understand this from this thread, I can't contribute much more so I'm done

Defensive Arms · September 16th, 2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 64zebra

nice quotes defensive, good examples of what can happen but the pepper spray itself didn't kill anyone, it was the idiots stampeding, not a full justification for not using it IMO

I never claimed the pepper spray itself killed anyone, so your straw man argument fails.

The pepper spray caused a massive number of cases of burning eyes, difficult breathing, gagging etc. Anybody familiar with the effects of pepper spray knows that it's pretty nasty stuff. People instinctively ran to get away from it. Nothing "idiotic" about it.

The REAL IDIOTS were the security personnel who very unwisely used pepper spray indoors, and were ultimately responsible for the deaths. Needless to say, the owners of the night clubs faced dozens of lawsuits.

Seeing the strong adverse effect the pepper spray had on MANY patrons of night clubs that were thousands of square feet in size, just think of the effect it would have on somebody using it in a small space like a bedroom, hallway or bathroom in their home.

Using pepper spray indoors in a home may very well cause the user and his loved ones to succumb to the very thing they thought would protect them.

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also, this same effect has been used at our department (and others all over the country) for a good reason...dispersing 30-40 people crowding in on 3 officers in a night club parking lot, thankfully all of us were using spray and repelled the pests cause it was about to get real real ugly, our next step would have been baton/hand-fighting with 3 officers against 30 people or worse.....starting to shoot 'em

I originally stated that pepper spray can be unsafe for the user when used indoors. I never criticized its use outdoors.

So your example of an incident that occurred outdoors isn't relevant to my original point, which still stands.

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64zebra VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Panhandle of Texas Posts: 4,568	nice quotes defensive, good examples of what can happen but the pepper spray itself didn't kill anyone, it was the idiots stampeding, not a full justification for not using it IMO also, this same effect has been used at our department (and others all over the country) for a good reason...dispersing 30-40 people crowding in on 3 officers in a night club parking lot, thankfully all of us were using spray and repelled the pests cause it was about to get real real ugly, our next step would have been baton/hand-fighting with 3 officers against 30 people or worse.....starting to shoot 'em one man's disadvantage is another man's efficient tool I hope the OP can understand this from this thread, I can't contribute much more so I'm done __________________ LEO & CHL Independence is declared; it must be maintained. Sam Houston-3/2/1836 HK45 G30\|21\|26\|17 KT P11 Moss500 Ithaca37 Savage20ga\|15A .22\|'99 25-35 AK47 AR15 Win3030 MN44 Rem 66\|870 GMBH67.22 If loose gun laws are good for criminals, why do criminals support gun control?

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